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Ole Cock III Build
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 10:36 AM UTC
OK since the blogs are open. Hopefully I don't muck up the pics to to bad.

These are the components I will attempting to put togather to resemble a Beauty of a Bolt.

This is the 1/32 Scale Big Ed set:

This is just the interior:





Now for the exterior:





Now if that wasn't enough for me I had to find a corrigated floor so this is what I ended up with for that.





These are the Decals I will be using in my attempt at this beast.



The Kit is Hasagawa's 1/32 Thunderbolt:





Now Hopefully with all this stuff at my disposal. When I am done it should look something like this.



Just for referance I will throw this out there to show just how big this PE set is. ( or the box anyway) this is Squadrons Thunderbolt in action book that I layed this down on.



Seriously though I am looking foward to this and to see if I can pull this one off. I will start in earnest on Monday due to work schedule.

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 11:05 AM UTC
Hi Paul.
Im really looking forward to seeing you tackle this.
Don Smiths "Ole Cock III" is one of my favourite Wolfpack P-47's


I have a photo somewhere of this aircraft being fitted with droptanks full of K rations which apparently were dropped on isolated troops in Holland.

Nige
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 01:06 PM UTC
Holy guacamole Paul!!
Thats like 30 pounds of metal going into that bird. Hope you invested in the white metal landing gear to hold all that iron up off the tarmac.
I like the decals for your bolt. Ole Cock III is great but there is something about half naked chicks (especially in black) on the nose of a plane that just says "aahhhhhhh".
Good luck with this one. I'm looking forward to seeing her in the line up.

Hermon
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 10:18 PM UTC
Thanks Guys:

Kind of looking foward to it myself. The more I look at her the more I think that I am going to have a few extras parts when I am done All in 1/32 scale.

The second set of Decals is planned to be the second plane for this build. you are right Hermon the nose art is just ummmmm well you know.

What I forgot to mention is that the set also came with a set of masks as well. These I won't use because I have never had any luck with them at all. So if anyone needs a set of 32nd masks just let me know.

I have not ruled out a set of metal gear either but looking at the kit ones they just may be beefy enough to hold it up. ( I hope)

Well first its off to work. Then hopefully I will get some bench time in the next three days to light this candle and see what we can do.

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 10:36 PM UTC
Hi Paul,

I thought I was reading my blog for when I start my 1/32nd kit Camogirl's editor is sending me the etch as he has no use for it after reviewing it and I'm planning on ordering the decals and masks next month, the only difference is I'm planning on doing "look no hands".

I'll watch your blog intently so I can have an advance warning of any problem areas

Cheers

Allen
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Posted: Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 03:35 AM UTC
Allen:

Good Luck with yours as I will be watching you as well due to the "Look No Hands" is going to be my next one.

I originally wanted to do her but the kit or at least I thought didn't have the Fillet on the back for it. Until further inspecton of the kit showed me it did.

So that meant I needed a corrigated floor for the "Ole Cock III". Thus the resin set for the floor.

The PE has some corrigations for the floor (part#50 in second pic) but not enough to do the job. I am planning on using different parts t/o the build due to some of the kit parts are better than the AM stuff.

So thats the plan at the moment. Stay tuned caue all this could change at any given moment.

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 09:40 PM UTC
Ok I am sitting sratching my head over a dilemma.

I am trying to figure out what is the best colors to use for the camo scheme on this aerodynamic wonder I am working on.

The directions call for Light Ocean Grey and Dark Ocean grey, but no comapnies I have run across list these specific colors.

The closest I can come to is Light and Dark Sea greys.( Vallejo listed)

I can get Model Master, Tamiya, Vallejo, and Polyscale Paints. Was leaning toward the Vallejo for the Airbrush factor but don't know which paint to get..

Any help out there would be much appreciated on this scalp of mine.

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 - 10:02 PM UTC
I'm sorry to say that I haven't got a clue on the colours, but I will follow this build with hawkeyes. Big birds are always interesting and bigger birds calls for other techniques. I might need that for a P 40 I have plans for in the future.

I've found colour pics from the early forties, showing P 40 assembly of both painted and primed machines, so I want to build a Warhawk that has a left wing in primer with open hatches, a freshly painted fuselage with visible engine and a right wing weathered after a years service or so. Maybe even a little battle damage. History concentrated in a way.

Keep going - I'll be around.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 12:15 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Ok I am sitting sratching my head over a dilemma.

I am trying to figure out what is the best colors to use for the camo scheme on this aerodynamic wonder I am working on.

The directions call for Light Ocean Grey and Dark Ocean grey, but no comapnies I have run across list these specific colors.

The closest I can come to is Light and Dark Sea greys.( Vallejo listed)

I can get Model Master, Tamiya, Vallejo, and Polyscale Paints. Was leaning toward the Vallejo for the Airbrush factor but don't know which paint to get..

Any help out there would be much appreciated on this scalp of mine.

Paul



Hi Paul.
Im not sure what, if indeed any, is the difference between "Sea Grey" and "Ocean Grey". It would be a case of cross referencing the FS numbers, but I imagine they are the same thing.
I may well of course be totally wrong here
Tamiya XF25 is called Light Sea Grey and Tamiya XF54 is called Dark Sea Grey.
I almost always use Tamiya acrylics and Im going to be looking at using one of those greys for my "M" which will have a similar camouflage to "Ole Cock".
Hope this helps
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 04:16 AM UTC
If the Tamiya Colors are close enough to you then who am I to argue.. Besides I work with these all the time as well and I would be more comfortable in familiar territory paint wise on this one instead of Blazing a new trail.

Although that would be adventerous.. Hmmmmm maybe on the next one

Thanks Nige it was a great help

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 04:47 AM UTC

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If the Tamiya Colors are close enough to you then who am I to argue.. Besides I work with these all the time as well and I would be more comfortable in familiar territory paint wise on this one instead of Blazing a new trail.

Although that would be adventerous.. Hmmmmm maybe on the next one

Thanks Nige it was a great help

Paul



Hi Paul.
Please dont take what I say as Gospel. I have yet to experiment with these greys myself
Im just going to try a few different greys against the dark green on an old model and see what looks closest when I compare it to various colour photos from Boxted in early 1945.
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 05:59 AM UTC
No not Gospel but you did point me in the direction I needed to go. Those two colors are the closest I could come across while looking over the scheme and the few pics I could find as well.

Who would know Kits world would use the Ocean and the paint world use the word Sea Sounded the same to me as well, but just wanted to verify a 2nd and 3rd opinion if possible.

So thanks again for the help

Paul
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 09:01 AM UTC
Ok finally got some progress made. although not much but a good bit for my pace.

First the Instument panel. I cannot say enough about this PE self adhesive set. It may cross your eyes but man it is easy as pie



Next up is the cockpit this was really really fun. The resin was either real brittle or I was just too heavy handed and was snapping things left and right. Soooooo I had to substitute the kit parts for resin ones. I can't really tell which was which after painting. That to me is a great kit.







That is about it for now. Currently I am working on the belts for the seat. They consist of about 30 Itty Bitty piecs of metal. When I am done I will probably be able to see both sides of my nose at the same time..

Well off I go to conquer the belts.

Paul
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 09:33 AM UTC
Looks great Paul!
That PE instrument panel is a real work of art.
Good luck with the belts
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 11:39 AM UTC
Now that's a nice pit. Just keep your eyes crossed for the rest, and not your fingers.
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 04:40 AM UTC

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Now that's a nice pit. Just keep your eyes crossed for the rest, and not your fingers.



Thank you for the kind words. That means alot coming from you two.

Finished the lap belts last night ( and everything that could be crossed was whether I did it or not )

WIll continue with the main harness either tonight or tomorrow and hope for some more progress late Sunday Night. ( would be sooner if work wouldn't get in the way

See you Gents soon and Keep those Bolts Rollin' off the Line

Paul
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Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 - 01:25 PM UTC
Paul & friends-

I have seen 2 schools of thought on Ole Cock III colors. One is that the colors in the photo are dark and light grey, the other is that they are the green and grey used on other 56FG P-47s. Any thoughts on this?

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 01:09 AM UTC

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Paul & friends-

I have seen 2 schools of thought on Ole Cock III colors. One is that the colors in the photo are dark and light grey, the other is that they are the green and grey used on other 56FG P-47s. Any thoughts on this?

Tom



Welcome to the site Tom.
I believe this subject deserves a thread of its own, so rather than discuss it in Pauls build blog Ive started a new thread HERE

Nige
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 01:27 AM UTC
Tom:

I have only 3 sources of referances when I started this great adventure of mine.

1: Books every one I could lay my hands on but color photos were rare.

2. Google. More color photos but alot was atrists renditions.

3. This site. Which has mostly alot of both listed above.

I have been using the link below, the color sceme listed on the the decal sheet and bouncing off the people on here to narrow it down.

[url]http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/350/3/6[url]


As I scrolled down I saw both the Green and the Grey schemes listed for the 56th ighter group. Unfortunately the 51FS nor was the Ole Cock III listed specifically. So with that I figured the HV designation in the grey scheme as listed on the sheet on Google and off some of the people here. So I went with it.

I don't think there is a right or a wrong answer here unless you have the privelige to talking to some of the fine men that either flew, worked or saw these beauties in their Heyday.

So if someone tells me it was Grey on Grey or Green on Grey I cannot say no to either on it.

Besides it modelling aren't we suppose to take a little poetic liscence every now and then?

Just my little 2 Cents on the matter..

Oh by the way. Grab a kit Tom and join in the fun. I don't know about anyone else but I am having a blast doing this build... ( thnaks Nige)

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 02:25 AM UTC
I have Tamiya's 1/72-scale kit and want to do it on those markings. Looks like it's time to get started.

I really like the idea of two greys as it is something different, and is (in a way) similar to the grey schemes prevalent on today's fighters.

Tom
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Posted: Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 03:43 AM UTC
Sound Great!!!!!!!

Now all you have to do is go to the campign page and enlist in the build if you haven"t already.. Then you'll get a shiny ribbon

Paul

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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 03:42 PM UTC
Paul, that cockpit is just sick! Really, really nice work so far. I'm bogged down at the moment but I'm about ready to blow the dust off my Jug. Maybe we're going to have to push each other to the finish line.

Hermon
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 04:24 AM UTC
Thanks for the kind words Hermon. I have been bogged down with work as well. Although I get 3 days off starting Monday and hope to get some significant progress down in those days.

Anyway Hermon You push I'll pull and we will ALL get there at some point.

Thanks Again

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 10:02 AM UTC
Ok Finally some progress I can post. I know it has been awhile but with life and work not much time time til now.

So w/o further babbling here she is so far.

This is the seat finally done and mounted in the cockpit



The entire cockpit built up and ready to go in its permanant home



Here she is mounted in her new home. The white looking stuff behind it is Mr Disolved Putty. I had a problem with a gap in front and behind the cockpit. Have no clue why I sanded the sides of it as much as I dared and that thing just would not close. So a bit of sanding in my future there.


Next is an overall view of more putty but hey got the tail dry fitted Couldn't resist



Last is one of the two wheel wells with a little PE plumbing just a little shading and I can get the wings togather and she will look like a real plane.



The detail on the kit is amazing and the fit is great so long as my bumbling fingers behave.

Til next time hopefully will be more along when I next update.

Paul



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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 10:24 PM UTC
After taking a small break for wedding plans I was able to get some work done on the engine. ( pics soon I promise).

I decided to turn my attention to the landing gear. Problem is I don't know for sure if I use the smooth hub or spoked one for the wheels.

The pics I have found and looked at are very decisive. One in the Ole Cock III thread looks like a smooth hub but a second set of eyes would hurt. HELP!!!

Paul