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56th FG Zemkes Wolfpack
The Outstanding P-47 Fighter Group Of WW2.
62nd FS ace Michael Jackson
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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 04:32 AM UTC
...researching my next P-47 Mike Jackson's 'Teddy' as per a Superscale sheet I found on Ebay (72nd scale 56th FG subjects appear to be as rare as hen's teeth out there...)

then came across this lovely shot on a French forum, haven't got my copies of 'Aces & Wingmen' handy so I'm not sure if the 'experts' out there can tell me if this 44-21117 LM-J “Teddy” - I'm assuming it is, given that there is no cartoon on the cowl...anyone care to call out the colours, light grey & RAF dark green, NMF undersurfaces? ....note the white crosses for ground 'kills'





Jackson's first 'Teddy' P-47D 44-19780 LM-J featured a cartoon Donald duck on the cowl ( can you just make out some detail of that here?) and was force landed in southern France during early 1945, presumably not with Jackson at the controls as he finished his tour in Feb 1945...(?) This image apparently shows the a/c after it had been stripped by locals from the nearby town of Cozes (just north of Bordeaux) ....the pilot must have been lost to put down so far south...anyone know any more..?




Jackson passed away in 2007 - his obituary is here

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/mjjackson.htm
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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 06:38 AM UTC
Hi Neil.
Thats a couple of great photos.
The colour photo is Jacksons P-47M " Teddy".

It would have been a nmf underside with light or med sea grey/raf dark green topsides.
Jacksons P-47M was one of the 56th FG P-47s transferred to the 479th FG for transition training in anticipation of a move to the Pacific, and was fitted with an "N" style fillet and recoded L2-Y. As far as I know this was the only P-47M used in the ETO by a group other than the 56th FG. Theres a photo of "Teddy" in 479th FG service in the Schiffer History.

Im away from my references for another month but I have the crash landing date listed as 21st Feb 1945 and Jackson is quoted as being the pilot. This is only one reference though, and I will look into it further when I get home next month.

Hope this info helps
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 10:28 PM UTC
Hi Nige,

thanks for the information and the pic! .. it's a nice-looking machine, if not quite so aethestically pleasing as some from the 56th. Any views of the starboard side of the airframe...that would be too easy wouldn't it..? One 'interesting' detail here (to me anyway) is the absence of yellow tips on the prop blades..

I'm intrigued as to why the first 'Teddy' was lost in southern France in Feb 1945 - as suggested before, the pilot was presumably completely lost ...?

Look forward to any more light you can shed on this one...but not to worry if you don't get the chance...I've certainly got enough info & refs to start work....guess I'm too early for the Aces 2 campaign though..

all the best

Neil

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Posted: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 11:56 PM UTC
Hi Neil.
This photo will explain the apparent lack of yellow tips to the prop blades.

I'll check the 56th's operations history when I get home, and it will tell me who the pilot was when Jacksons D model was lost. ( Hopefully!)
Heres a picture of Jackson and his P-47D in happier times.

All the best
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 12:09 AM UTC

Thanks Nige.... another machine missing some views from the starboard side..!
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Posted: Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 10:55 AM UTC
Here are a few more:

I realize that one of the ones below is a duplicate, however, I wanted the caption in the scan.
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Posted: Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 01:03 PM UTC
One more:
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Posted: Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 03:37 AM UTC

Hi Rex,

..thanks for posting ..very helpful. ...
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Posted: Monday, June 22, 2009 - 12:54 AM UTC

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I realize that one of the ones below is a duplicate, however, I wanted the caption in the scan.



The scan from Aces And Wingmen is a mis caption.
Both photos appear to show the D model.
Apart from the Donald Duck marking, the easiest way to differentiate between the two aircraft is the postion and style of the "Teddy" artwork.The D model has a longer and far more curved "Y" than the M. Also, the framing on the front part of the canopy looks like its been overpainted on the D and left in NMF on the M.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:17 AM UTC

..OK guys (+Nige)

slowly getting back into this after a couple of months off - looking for some clues on the upper surface camo. There's a partial view of the port wing above- was the starboard mirrored or not ? Would be grateful for any clues. Thank you.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:31 PM UTC
...and I'd be grateful for any educated guesses regarding the underside color of Jackson's D...anybody?

LT
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:55 PM UTC
Hi guys.
"M" model first.

Quoted Text

looking for some clues on the upper surface camo. There's a partial view of the port wing above- was the starboard mirrored or not ?



Hi Neil.
I would say definately not mirrored on the starboard side. The paint schemes on the 62nd (and 63rd) Fs M's were unique to each aircraft.
Here is an overhead view of a flight of 62nd FS M's which clearly illustrates the individuality.


Its possible, but only possible, that #3 in the rear "finger four" could be Jacksons aircraft.

Onto the "D" model "Teddy".

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and I'd be grateful for any educated guesses regarding the underside color of Jackson's D



Hi LT.
It seems Jacksons aircraft falls into the "is it grey, is it nmf" category.
The most commonly seen photo showing the underside isnt really conclusive IMHO but it does give us a couple of clues.


The bottom section of the cowling doesnt stand out as being a dramatically different shade to the upper surface grey areas.
Secondly, the scratches that are visible on the wings leading edge are very prominent. This leads me to think that the underside was probably painted grey as opposed to being left in NMF.

Hope this helps
Nige
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2009 - 12:50 AM UTC
..yes thanks Nige, thats given me something to work on!...one thing thats noticeable there is that the wing leading edges all apear to be NMF, one thing I hadn't picked up on...amazing view, thanks again for posting!
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2009 - 01:17 AM UTC

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..yes thanks Nige, thats given me something to work on!...one thing thats noticeable there is that the wing leading edges all apear to be NMF, one thing I hadn't picked up on...amazing view, thanks again for posting!



Hi Neil.
As far as I'm aware all the P-47M's featured bare metal wing and horizontal stabiliser leading edges. I havent seen any photos to show otherwise.
All the best
Nige
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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2009 - 03:10 AM UTC
..some progress on my Revell 72nd 'M' in the colours of Mike Jackson's 'Teddy' . Mixed my own colours with Humbrol enamels - no idea how 'accurate' they look - the green in the photos is very dark, almost brown and I think 'my' grey might be too light. Neat kit, but for the gear- this time I've lengthened both legs and pinned them, which has enabled me to rake them forward a little - looks much better I think..I also like the 'clean' look..no bombs or drop tanks on this one..

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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2009 - 02:30 PM UTC
Anybody got any pix/diagrams/guesses of the top and right sides of Jackson's D?

LT
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2009 - 09:13 PM UTC
Hi LT.
Both of Jacksons aircraft were on my search list last weekend at Halesworth but I couldnt find anything new on either aircraft I'm afraid.
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2009 - 09:35 PM UTC
well thanks for looking Nige...my representation of that first colour shot starting to look a little like a P-47..got the wrong prop on it I think and one or two other things I'm not happy with ..

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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 01:19 AM UTC
Wrong prop or not she looks outstanding! She is going to look great on the shelf.

Paul
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 04:49 AM UTC

...nice of you to say so...thanks very much Paul !
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2009 - 11:02 AM UTC
Your certainly making a good job of those little Revell kits Neil
Your right about the prop.
The prop in the Revell kit is the asymetric Curtiss and the M's had symetrical props.
Didnt stop me building two M's from the Revell kit earlier this year and putting the kit supplied prop on though
How did the pinned undercarriage legs work out? The way the Revell kits sit is all wrong,so anything that rakes the gear forward a little is a bonus.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 07:53 AM UTC
..Thanks...actually any sort of mod to the gear improves the look of the kit no end. I pinned the legs at an angle into a disc of sprue which was then simply glued on top of the kit gear well location holes, lengthening them at the same time. This has the advantage of allowing the kit gear doors to be glued on 'correctly' - accepting the kit locating holes means that the outer door is far too long. I've also gone and snapped the legs off my replica of Mitch Thompson's 'Balls Out' and re-pinned them using the same 'technique' ..much better... I think next time though I might try a straight swap with the gear from the Academy kit for the same effect..

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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2014 - 09:18 AM UTC
Nige- is it possible he shot down an Me-262? That would explain a lot - and in that first picture- the cowling looks flat black...