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Twilight 2000 Campaign
AaronW
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:42 AM UTC
Thanks, this sounds like fun. For the guy contemplating the LAV-75 I've got a book that has the real thing (not LAV-75 but it is clearly the experimental vehicle that the LAV was based on) if you need more photos or design specs.

I've known Paul for a couple of years (well from the internet anyway) who runs the site mentioned before http://www.pmulcahy.com/ I thought I'd let him know about the T2000 campaign, it could provide some good photos of the more fictional vehicles if people didn't mind his use of the model photo's.

Is there still a model of the Sgt. York available, I always liked it, this would be a great excuse to get one.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:38 AM UTC

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Is there still a model of the Sgt. York available, I always liked it, this would be a great excuse to get one.

Yes, Tamiya's and the Academy copy are still kicking around. These kits go dirt cheap on Ebay. One of my conversions that sparked this T2K notion is the "Sgt. Major York". This is a modified M247 Sgt. York turret mated to an M1 hull. If you do a search, I've posted a photo or two of my in-progress kit. I haven't had a chance to work on it in a bit though, too many other group builds are competing for my time. It actually looks pretty good, even though my digital camera is not a very good one for up close shots.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:23 AM UTC
Thanks, I'll have to look around for one. There was an ADA in the game built on the Abrams with either 25 or 35mm guns, the Diana.

Also for whom ever maintains the campaign records, Twilight is no longer owned by Tauntlus, Mark Miller the creator of Traveller, now owns the rights and is reprinting the rules under the company name Far Future Enterprises.

http://www.farfuture.net/

matt
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:19 AM UTC
I just picked up theTwilight 2000 book from Far Future Enterprises on ebay. it's pretty interesting reading.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:07 AM UTC

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Also for whom ever maintains the campaign records

This build has the theme of Twilight 2000, but is not limited to vehicles that are in T2K literature. Any "T2K-like" vehicle will be permitted. No TOW equipped WW2 Panzers, it's got to be something that is plausible.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:20 PM UTC

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Also for whom ever maintains the campaign records

This build has the theme of Twilight 2000, but is not limited to vehicles that are in T2K literature. Any "T2K-like" vehicle will be permitted. No TOW equipped WW2 Panzers, it's got to be something that is plausible.



I'm not sure what this had to do with my quote, I just noticed that in the thread listing the "rules" for the campaign that Tantlus is listed as the owner of Twilight, thought I'd update with the current information on the owners.

If it was in regards to the Abrams / Diana, I was just mentioning that vehicle, I wasn't criticising for not "following the book". I think the Sgt Major York sounds pretty good. Hope I didn't come across that I thought all the vehicles had to come out of the books. Personally I like the Thunderbolt alot better than Twilights funky M1A3.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:10 AM UTC
Hey Rob,

Ithought we had decided that fitting a old Panzer I chassis with a Tow launcher was ok? Raiding old museums and "gate guard" vehicles for contemporary use...etc.

At least i know we did it when we played to game, but we "aquired" a old willy's Jeep and Boy's Anti-tank rifle...nothing too, ahh, exciting.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:49 AM UTC

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Ithought we had decided that fitting a old Panzer I chassis with a Tow launcher was ok? Raiding old museums and "gate guard" vehicles for contemporary use...etc.

At least i know we did it when we played to game, but we "aquired" a old willy's Jeep and Boy's Anti-tank rifle...nothing too, ahh, exciting.



I played with some guys in the ETO that did that too - but - I'd like to discourage that in the Campaign. The whole idea is to build something other than "WW II German Armor" and encouraging that practice would be tantamount to a "Luftwaffe 1946" style affair.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:04 AM UTC
A buddy of mine did a scenerio that he called "The New Nazi's", can't remember too much about it other than the Leopard's had Nazi markings on them and the crew's were wearing old style panzer crew gear. Also something about the 4th Reich. Wish I could find any of my old stuff, hmm, I wonder where it is...(or where my old buddy is either for that matter!).

Might be kind of cool to see a Leopard 2 in Ambush camo and the crew wearing U-Boat leathers!

Chris
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:16 AM UTC
I think you could go with just about any camo scheme you wanted. As by this time according to the game that whatever a crew could get their hands on would be used. An M1 abrams with Chev navy blue with dark green would be cool.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:03 AM UTC
ok, ok, no "modern Maus" will come out!

I woudl imagine that some of the more "modern Misfits" could be used...the M103? THe S-tank in other than Swedish markings? M48...

I really only brought up the Panzer I idea because the balkans really mess things up for a nice clean line...the official books still list M4A3E8's, M10's, and M36's in the inventories...might look a little one-sided to allow only that...(Hey, stop throwing things at me!) :-)

Again, this does not really apply to me personally, so maybe I should just go sit in the corner and be quite!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:09 AM UTC
Ok so help me out here, I know nothing of this game.


Twilight 2000 is basically kind of like the movie Red Dawn right? So it's basically World War III set in today's timeframe, like the fall of the Soviet Union never happened so on and so on? Vehicle wise all of the vehicles used in the 80's are the mainstream of the weapons systems, plus prototypes built back then and stuff? And for example, Mad Max vehicles are not permitted in this? You can use civilian stuff but it has to be realistic, like you cant put 8 billion guns on a truck, but a .50 cal and maybe a TOW system would be good?

Im just trying to comprehend all this because I have never heard of this game and this campaign really sounds cool.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:46 AM UTC

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Hey Rob,

Ithought we had decided that fitting a old Panzer I chassis with a Tow launcher was ok? Raiding old museums and "gate guard" vehicles for contemporary use...etc.

At least i know we did it when we played to game, but we "aquired" a old willy's Jeep and Boy's Anti-tank rifle...nothing too, ahh, exciting.

You're right, my bad. We did consider museum pieces upgraded with modern weapons as OK, didn't we? We just were going to keep it real, not put something too big (like an Abrams turret) on a small WW2 vehicle.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:51 PM UTC

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We just were going to keep it real, not put something too big (like an Abrams turret) on a small WW2 vehicle



That's my understanding.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:16 PM UTC

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Ok so help me out here, I know nothing of this game.


Twilight 2000 is basically kind of like the movie Red Dawn right? So it's basically World War III set in today's timeframe, like the fall of the Soviet Union never happened so on and so on? Vehicle wise all of the vehicles used in the 80's are the mainstream of the weapons systems, plus prototypes built back then and stuff? And for example, Mad Max vehicles are not permitted in this? You can use civilian stuff but it has to be realistic, like you cant put 8 billion guns on a truck, but a .50 cal and maybe a TOW system would be good?

Im just trying to comprehend all this because I have never heard of this game and this campaign really sounds cool.



Yes think Red Dawn but the wars been going on for a couple of years and limited nuclear attacks have occured, I believe the wars start date was around 1996 and the game starts in 2000 as the last gasp of organization crumbled. The troops in the field have had little supply for quite some time and have had to get creative to stay fuctional, you also might picture the last days of the German Army in WW2 updated to the late 1990's. It would not be unrealistic to find captured equipment and odd combinations of vehicles made by canibalizing vehicles to keep others running. Older vehicles pulled out of moth balls, limited issue of prototype vehicles plus vehicles that might have been if budgets hadn't interferred such as the M8 AGS or if the need had allowed testing to be rushed and defects not found like the Sgt. York. I'd think a limited amount of Road Warrior would be tolerated, 3/4 ton trucks done up as FAV's etc, I've been thinking about Tamiya's Pink Panther SAS Land Rover updated with one of the modern weapon sets (perhaps a Mk19 in place of a machine gun). Also most vehicles were converted to run on alcohol so fuel trailers and large mobile stills (for creating alcohol) on trailers were common.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:32 PM UTC
And whatever we build can basically have its own paintjob and decals meaning it represents the U.S. but is not exactly in a designated unit? Am I getting this right?


I'll probably just head on up to the local rpg store and ask them if they have anything on it. They carry a lot of older game stuff.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:27 PM UTC
I'm like Zak,
I've never heard of this game as I've never played RPG before It souns a fun
campagin to join but as I've never scrathbuilt done alot of AM ect I just normally build
out the box and that takes me long enough! so just what type of thing can I do I've been
reading the posts about this campaign but I'm at a loss as what to build I've got a bradley
abrams with mine plow and the new italeri one and some soviet stuff as well, apart from
these kits any ideas what else to build sorry but i dont have much in the way of imagination
or knowlage as to what stuff was in use 96-2000 if I get the idea of this camp dont want to
steal anybodys idea but I'm really stuck for ideas lads ........please help
oh yeah sorry to more or less repeate previous posts
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 01:33 AM UTC

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I think you could go with just about any camo scheme you wanted. As by this time according to the game that whatever a crew could get their hands on would be used. An M1 abrams with Chev navy blue with dark green would be cool.

HastyP



Heck, the Thunderbolt will sport a very dark grey coat, with red tiger stripes! hehehehe and an appropriate decal as well hehehehehehe
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:42 AM UTC

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apart from
these kits any ideas what else to build sorry but i dont have much in the way of imagination
or knowlage as to what stuff was in use 96-2000 if I get the idea of this camp dont want to
steal anybodys idea but I'm really stuck for ideas lads ........please help
oh yeah sorry to more or less repeate previous posts



mikeli125-

Try and put yourself in the "boots" of a soldier in the field. Heavy industry as we know it is a smoldering heap of radioactive waste. Light industry survives to a degree and based on the apeparance in the game of some laser, etc type weapons, research labs still exist and are capable of producing some limited number of High Tech weapons (again HEAVY Industry is gone so bear that in mind- not many facilities to fabricate M1s, Brads, etc). The economy is GONE...

So- the units in the field get creative- They bust open the museum, revive the Gate Queens, cobble up a hybrid TOW vehicle, fabricate a Hellfire Laucher to mount on a vehicle that has had its' turret destroyed... think about what you'd do in this situation! (I guess that's why they are called Role Playing Games or RPGs).

Imagination coupled with a degree of common sense is the bottom line in my opinion.

JIm

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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:04 AM UTC
You can also use it as an opportunity to do a wild paint job or build something unusual, if you don't scratch build there are plenty of appropriate vehicles, anything modern and really anything since WW2. I supposed museum raiders could put a World war 1 tank into service.
So really a bone stock Abrams with current camoflage, a red, white and blue "old glory" (painted like the US flag) JS-2 or a Sgt York with giant eyeballs and shark teeth. Basically its an opportunity to build any modern vehicle with the paint job of you choice. As the post above suggested what would you do in a similar situation (little support and no adult supervision).
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:05 AM UTC

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ok, ok, no "modern Maus" will come out!




Isn't that what the Thunderbolt essentially is? #:-)
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:07 AM UTC
Here's some Internet sites devoted to the game system to help those not familiar with it. I've added links to two of the better and more comprehensive ones to give you some flavor...

http://www.twilightarmouries.ca/

http://pmulcahy.100megs3.com/combat_vehicle_handbooks/american_combat_vehicle_handbook.html

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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:09 AM UTC

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As the post above suggested what would you do in a similar situation (little support and no adult supervision).



Yes - try to imagine encountering Rob's Motor Pool and being able to run amok!

Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:57 AM UTC
Basic setting is a destroyed world...Red Dawn is still a fairly intact world, TW2K is pretty much a workd gone...lots of City-states, countries and govt.s are pretty much gone. Vehicles in use would be up to 2000 and some experimental, like US had lasers for ADA, but very limited. LOTS of jury rigged set-ups, lots of "use whatever you can find" stuff. Most common industry will make things like small-caliber ammunition and mortars/ammo as well as alchohol (fuel).

Some things I have seen:

BTR-80 captured, and then a marauder. This is illustrated in the Soviet ID book.

M113 pulling a still, with a DShK for a main weapon, and we had a slavaged AH-64 engine to barter.

LAV-25 with the main gun replaced by a BMP-2 weapon system.

M728 CEV in perfect condition in NATO 3 tone along with a M923, a M35, and a M88A1. (special scenario of basically breaking into a area like Rob's Motor Pool.)
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:28 PM UTC
Ok I think Im getting the big picture now lol. Thanks fellas.