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Twilight 2000 Campaign
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:32 PM UTC
And whatever we build can basically have its own paintjob and decals meaning it represents the U.S. but is not exactly in a designated unit? Am I getting this right?


I'll probably just head on up to the local rpg store and ask them if they have anything on it. They carry a lot of older game stuff.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:16 PM UTC

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Ok so help me out here, I know nothing of this game.


Twilight 2000 is basically kind of like the movie Red Dawn right? So it's basically World War III set in today's timeframe, like the fall of the Soviet Union never happened so on and so on? Vehicle wise all of the vehicles used in the 80's are the mainstream of the weapons systems, plus prototypes built back then and stuff? And for example, Mad Max vehicles are not permitted in this? You can use civilian stuff but it has to be realistic, like you cant put 8 billion guns on a truck, but a .50 cal and maybe a TOW system would be good?

Im just trying to comprehend all this because I have never heard of this game and this campaign really sounds cool.



Yes think Red Dawn but the wars been going on for a couple of years and limited nuclear attacks have occured, I believe the wars start date was around 1996 and the game starts in 2000 as the last gasp of organization crumbled. The troops in the field have had little supply for quite some time and have had to get creative to stay fuctional, you also might picture the last days of the German Army in WW2 updated to the late 1990's. It would not be unrealistic to find captured equipment and odd combinations of vehicles made by canibalizing vehicles to keep others running. Older vehicles pulled out of moth balls, limited issue of prototype vehicles plus vehicles that might have been if budgets hadn't interferred such as the M8 AGS or if the need had allowed testing to be rushed and defects not found like the Sgt. York. I'd think a limited amount of Road Warrior would be tolerated, 3/4 ton trucks done up as FAV's etc, I've been thinking about Tamiya's Pink Panther SAS Land Rover updated with one of the modern weapon sets (perhaps a Mk19 in place of a machine gun). Also most vehicles were converted to run on alcohol so fuel trailers and large mobile stills (for creating alcohol) on trailers were common.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:51 PM UTC

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We just were going to keep it real, not put something too big (like an Abrams turret) on a small WW2 vehicle



That's my understanding.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:46 AM UTC

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Hey Rob,

Ithought we had decided that fitting a old Panzer I chassis with a Tow launcher was ok? Raiding old museums and "gate guard" vehicles for contemporary use...etc.

At least i know we did it when we played to game, but we "aquired" a old willy's Jeep and Boy's Anti-tank rifle...nothing too, ahh, exciting.

You're right, my bad. We did consider museum pieces upgraded with modern weapons as OK, didn't we? We just were going to keep it real, not put something too big (like an Abrams turret) on a small WW2 vehicle.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:09 AM UTC
Ok so help me out here, I know nothing of this game.


Twilight 2000 is basically kind of like the movie Red Dawn right? So it's basically World War III set in today's timeframe, like the fall of the Soviet Union never happened so on and so on? Vehicle wise all of the vehicles used in the 80's are the mainstream of the weapons systems, plus prototypes built back then and stuff? And for example, Mad Max vehicles are not permitted in this? You can use civilian stuff but it has to be realistic, like you cant put 8 billion guns on a truck, but a .50 cal and maybe a TOW system would be good?

Im just trying to comprehend all this because I have never heard of this game and this campaign really sounds cool.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:03 AM UTC
ok, ok, no "modern Maus" will come out!

I woudl imagine that some of the more "modern Misfits" could be used...the M103? THe S-tank in other than Swedish markings? M48...

I really only brought up the Panzer I idea because the balkans really mess things up for a nice clean line...the official books still list M4A3E8's, M10's, and M36's in the inventories...might look a little one-sided to allow only that...(Hey, stop throwing things at me!) :-)

Again, this does not really apply to me personally, so maybe I should just go sit in the corner and be quite!
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:16 AM UTC
I think you could go with just about any camo scheme you wanted. As by this time according to the game that whatever a crew could get their hands on would be used. An M1 abrams with Chev navy blue with dark green would be cool.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:04 AM UTC
A buddy of mine did a scenerio that he called "The New Nazi's", can't remember too much about it other than the Leopard's had Nazi markings on them and the crew's were wearing old style panzer crew gear. Also something about the 4th Reich. Wish I could find any of my old stuff, hmm, I wonder where it is...(or where my old buddy is either for that matter!).

Might be kind of cool to see a Leopard 2 in Ambush camo and the crew wearing U-Boat leathers!

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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:49 AM UTC

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Ithought we had decided that fitting a old Panzer I chassis with a Tow launcher was ok? Raiding old museums and "gate guard" vehicles for contemporary use...etc.

At least i know we did it when we played to game, but we "aquired" a old willy's Jeep and Boy's Anti-tank rifle...nothing too, ahh, exciting.



I played with some guys in the ETO that did that too - but - I'd like to discourage that in the Campaign. The whole idea is to build something other than "WW II German Armor" and encouraging that practice would be tantamount to a "Luftwaffe 1946" style affair.

Gunnie
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:10 AM UTC
Hey Rob,

Ithought we had decided that fitting a old Panzer I chassis with a Tow launcher was ok? Raiding old museums and "gate guard" vehicles for contemporary use...etc.

At least i know we did it when we played to game, but we "aquired" a old willy's Jeep and Boy's Anti-tank rifle...nothing too, ahh, exciting.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:20 PM UTC

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Also for whom ever maintains the campaign records

This build has the theme of Twilight 2000, but is not limited to vehicles that are in T2K literature. Any "T2K-like" vehicle will be permitted. No TOW equipped WW2 Panzers, it's got to be something that is plausible.



I'm not sure what this had to do with my quote, I just noticed that in the thread listing the "rules" for the campaign that Tantlus is listed as the owner of Twilight, thought I'd update with the current information on the owners.

If it was in regards to the Abrams / Diana, I was just mentioning that vehicle, I wasn't criticising for not "following the book". I think the Sgt Major York sounds pretty good. Hope I didn't come across that I thought all the vehicles had to come out of the books. Personally I like the Thunderbolt alot better than Twilights funky M1A3.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:07 AM UTC

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Also for whom ever maintains the campaign records

This build has the theme of Twilight 2000, but is not limited to vehicles that are in T2K literature. Any "T2K-like" vehicle will be permitted. No TOW equipped WW2 Panzers, it's got to be something that is plausible.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:19 AM UTC
I just picked up theTwilight 2000 book from Far Future Enterprises on ebay. it's pretty interesting reading.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:23 AM UTC
Thanks, I'll have to look around for one. There was an ADA in the game built on the Abrams with either 25 or 35mm guns, the Diana.

Also for whom ever maintains the campaign records, Twilight is no longer owned by Tauntlus, Mark Miller the creator of Traveller, now owns the rights and is reprinting the rules under the company name Far Future Enterprises.

http://www.farfuture.net/

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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:38 AM UTC

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Is there still a model of the Sgt. York available, I always liked it, this would be a great excuse to get one.

Yes, Tamiya's and the Academy copy are still kicking around. These kits go dirt cheap on Ebay. One of my conversions that sparked this T2K notion is the "Sgt. Major York". This is a modified M247 Sgt. York turret mated to an M1 hull. If you do a search, I've posted a photo or two of my in-progress kit. I haven't had a chance to work on it in a bit though, too many other group builds are competing for my time. It actually looks pretty good, even though my digital camera is not a very good one for up close shots.
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Posted: Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:42 AM UTC
Thanks, this sounds like fun. For the guy contemplating the LAV-75 I've got a book that has the real thing (not LAV-75 but it is clearly the experimental vehicle that the LAV was based on) if you need more photos or design specs.

I've known Paul for a couple of years (well from the internet anyway) who runs the site mentioned before http://www.pmulcahy.com/ I thought I'd let him know about the T2000 campaign, it could provide some good photos of the more fictional vehicles if people didn't mind his use of the model photo's.

Is there still a model of the Sgt. York available, I always liked it, this would be a great excuse to get one.
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:12 AM UTC
Hello Aaron.

few notes for you

The real start date is Oct. 1st....no painting until then. You could get a leg up building major pieces before that (Right gunnie? ) Once Oct.1st roles around there SHOULD be a folder for the campaign in the campaign folder area where you keep your building journal. Just take a few pics of your in progress stuff. Finally, once you are done, hopefully before the deadline, you just post a pic of your completed work. Then you get a pretty campaign ribbon in your profile (Ahh, the life! )

Pretty simple. You can also keep asking questions here until you feel comfortable.
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 06:56 AM UTC
Just to get this straight, July 4th is the start for major scratch building and Dec 31 is the end of the build. Since I'm just getting back into building I'll probably stay pretty close to stock (although most likely something unusual) so is Oct 1 the "official" start date?

Also I'm new to this, (found out about it from Tanknet) is there a page with guidelines for participating, all I could find was the Campaign page and it doesn't have much. Any direction as far as photo records etc would be appreciated. Thanks
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Posted: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 04:07 PM UTC
Big Thanks GunTruck!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 03:22 AM UTC

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GunTruck: oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please make 31st December the deadline of this campaign! I have not touched my Abrams/Buford/Thunderbolt ever since taking the pix of the gun. Been quite busy. Plus I want to make "amends" for building a Yankee tankee by building a Soviet counterpart - and more Soviet counterparts. :-)



Zing!

31 December is the new deadline for the Twilight 2000 Campaign!

Gunnie
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 - 10:53 PM UTC
Thanks for your input Sabot. I had the following name already in mind: Buford. But since you say those tanks under Abrams were called Thunderbolt, I might just change it into the M1A2E1 Thunderbolt in his honor.

GunTruck: oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please make 31st December the deadline of this campaign! I have not touched my Abrams/Buford/Thunderbolt ever since taking the pix of the gun. Been quite busy. Plus I want to make "amends" for building a Yankee tankee by building a Soviet counterpart - and more Soviet counterparts. :-)
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 - 08:10 AM UTC
Yep - I believe Thunderbolt through Thunderbolt VII (don't think there were any more under Abrams' command) were Shermans. Always fancied modeling a collection of all the Thunderbolts - but haven't seen photos of them all...

Gunnie
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 - 06:47 AM UTC

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Seriously now, though, I'm looking for an appropriate name. Abrams is too 'soft'.

Too soft?! This is a man who commanded the 37th Armor Battalion, 4th AD during WW2 and lead the attack on a German strong point in the village of Singling in the Lorraine area of France. This battle is still being studied today. GEN Abrams also took command of all forces in Vietnam after the Tet offensive and eventually became the Army Chief of Staff. The man had several Sherman tanks shot out from under him. His tanks were named "Thunderbolt", hence the decals in the Tamiya M1 kit. The first XM1 had his tank's name on it. He wasn't just another general, he was a tanker who didn't want us dying in a tin can tank like many of his men did. Every man who survived a battle in an M1A1 tank owes it to Creighton Abrams.
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Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:32 AM UTC

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Has anyone thought to extend the deadline forward? I mean from Aug 1st to Dec 1st or something? A nice LLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG time to build lots of goodies? Or is this against the best intentions of the campaigns idea, ie to keep things in a reasonable timeframe? I am thinking that with all the "revving at the startline" going on, pushing the start earlier might not be a terrible idea.

(ducking for cover from guntruck!) :-)



It's already been extended forward...

Everyone was allowed to start on July 4th - with certain restrictions. I posted them already...

Gunnie
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Posted: Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:57 PM UTC
Yeah, Jacques, I am going to need more time already if I am going to scratchbuild a whole airship, plus some ultralights...

Shaun #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-)