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soviet Venera-9 / 10 / 14 landers
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Posted: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 01:37 PM GMT+7
The next small update:
I finished the 3D-model (for making reference-parts) and started making the missing parts.
The next days I will make a visual list of the "to make"-parts. ;-)

Here are 2 pics of the 3D-model.





And a fuzzy pic of the landscape photographed trough red+green filters.


greetings...
Soeren

edit:
image-links were edited.
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Posted: Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 04:03 PM GMT+7
The next small update:
I´ve wrapped the other thermo-regulation-pipe for the V.14-lander. Perhaps I can use these things with only minor changes. ;-)

The other thing are some more "instruments" on the Venera-9/10 lander, which I have to build for this version.
Beside the "wind-speed-meter" there are 2 more things on the big brake-shield. Perhaps these are gravity-meters.
Also on the other side of the (in the last update built) machine, there is another one, which I have to add.


I made a visual overview of the parts for the change from Venera-9/10 into 13/14. Perhaps I forgot some parts. These are 3D-model parts.


Another view ot the 3D-model of the V.13/14 lander.


"folded" and "landed" version (3D-models)



And a size-comparison. I´m not sure about the payload-fairing, which was used by the launcher. I think it was the 7,65m x 3,90 m version. (1/1 scale 3D-models)


greetings...

edit: I changed the overview of the parts, now one of the machines is visible ;-)
(also I mirrored the image for "correctness")
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Posted: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 04:25 AM GMT+7
The last days, I´ve added some parts on the disc-brake for the V-9/10 lander.


Perhaps I have to resize (make smaller) the new scratchbuilt parts.


I´m not sure about all parts, because there are 3 different versions for each of the landers.
Also there are not enough photos available.

1. display mockup (also I´ve seen 2 versions of this )
2. engineering model
3. flown version

For the V.14 model I made the "vacuum-reservoir".
Not perfect, but okay. ;-)



and a size comparison.


greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:34 AM GMT+7
I made another part: the cloud XFS (x-ray flourescence spectrometer for analysing the clouds) for the V.14 model.





Perhaps it will need some refining for a good fit on the lander´s ring.

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Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 - 02:00 PM GMT+7
I made another part: the hydrometer.
This part is smaller than the others, but a bit "oversized".


(in front of the others)

As for the other parts, I used some metallic parts and the frames from injection molded kits.


greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 - 04:27 PM GMT+7
Another thing is completed.

On the upper left corner can be seen the "Groza-2" lightning-detector -antenna. It´s a very fragile thing.


The shape was bent using the bigger part of Revell´s 21cm Mörser 18 (in 1/72) barrel.


I thought about removing the small part, but perhaps the "ring" would not hold together.
(also I used some glue)
Later I will add another small holder.

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Soeren
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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 02:52 PM GMT+7
I continued with my conversion-parts of the V.14.
From the Groza-2 antenna I removed the holder, which I glued at first to make it more stable.
Also I removed a small part of the copper-wire, so the ring/ loop is nearly perfect.
Pictures will come soon.

Also I tried to make drawings (measurements) for the small "ladder", which is a mechanical spring-loaded penetrator for the ground. V.-14´s penetrator unfortunely landed on the camera-shell. I try to show this. (can be seen on the pictures of the 3D-model)

For other parts, I made measurements for building the both color-charts, which are a color-reference of the cameras. They have very small parts on them.

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Soeren
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Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 - 12:49 PM GMT+7
Here is a pic of the Groza-2 antenna.




Also I started bulding the Prop-V soil-penetrator. The edges of the parts were "flattened" with a big tool.






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Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 03:54 PM GMT+7
A small update:
I completed the first part of the Prop-V penetrator. (the ladder)
After some tests I built a new one and added the 3 "steps".
Also I started the other part of this, which is a bit smaller and will contain the penetrator itself on one end.

Photos will follow.

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Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, November 28, 2009 - 04:23 PM GMT+7
Hi Sören

just as a small motivation: I am following your progress! ... but of course I cannot post a remark on every update

Maybe it would be better if you mark your 3d artwork clearer?! When browsing through the thread it is hard to make out which are of the actual model and which are computer art ....

best wishes

Steffen
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Posted: Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 04:40 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Hi Sören

just as a small motivation: I am following your progress! ... but of course I cannot post a remark on every update

Maybe it would be better if you mark your 3d artwork clearer?! When browsing through the thread it is hard to make out which are of the actual model and which are computer art ....

best wishes

Steffen



Thank you Steffen and no problem with the postings!
I also have changed my posts from the first page, to make a clear difference between the 3D-models (1/1 and 1/48) and the real build-progress.

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Posted: Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 05:53 AM GMT+7
Here are the actual photos from the Prop-V penetrator (in progress) for the V.14 lander model.


And later it should look a bit like this:

(parts are not glued yet)


greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 05:20 PM GMT+7
I continued building the Prop-V penetrator.


After I made the photos, I filed/ sanded the small disk; now it looks better.
Perhaps I have some more work with the small penetrator itself.
Also the small disk (one of two) has marking on it, which would be very difficult to paint.
The markings are for a visible control of the rotation of the penetrator in the ground.

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Soeren
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Posted: Monday, November 30, 2009 - 04:05 PM GMT+7
I completed the Prop-V penetrator.
Not a clean build, because the white plastic-parts are a bit oversized for this ... but I think, it´s okay.





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Soeren
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Posted: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 04:19 PM GMT+7
So, now I think about some of the missing parts.

These are:
- the soil-drill - (very complicated)
- the "teeth" (for stabilising the free fall/ landing) - (ohh god!)
- a nephelometer (on the opposite side of the soil drill) - (perhaps very easy to make)
- 2 color charts with their holders - (also very easy; I have 2 small parts of aluminium for these)
and some small parts. - (will be made of plastic)
These objects have to be made for completing the Venera-14 lander. (I think so)

Also I built one of the 2 thermo-tubes using plastic again, for replacing the both "test-objects", made of metal. ;-)
This plasic-part was bent using a candle-flame. (but it´s not completed)
The other one wll follow shortly, including some photos.

Also, on the V.9/10-lander, I have to detail one object. This is the "gamma-ray densitometer", a foldable part, which gets a thin cable.
Which lander (V.9/10) I will build, depends on the landscape, that I build and also perhaps I find a difference in the used experiments.

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Soeren
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Posted: Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 04:31 AM GMT+7
I forgot one part, which can be found on all landers: the white helical antenna.
For these parts, I have masks and sheets of plastic, for cutting the needed things.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:42 PM GMT+7
Soren

This is a wonderful project and your results will no doubt be spectacular. It's great to see more real space projects and especially these little-rendered and hardly ever seen soviet landers.

Well done and I really look forward to seeing the progress and finished project.

Great work....

Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 04:28 AM GMT+7
Hi Bob, thanks for your nice comment!
And my thank is for Thorsten, who made this possible!

Also I saw some bigger scale lander-models, but they are not for sale nor can be made easily "copies" from these.
I decided to build 2 landers, and the 3rd will follow later. Perhaps in another "type", (Venera-11/12 or Vega-1/2) But that´s not sure. (there are more and/ or better photos available!)


Some days ago, I finished the "Prop-V" penetrometer (the ladder ) and glued the 2 parts together. Also this thing is a bit oversized, but it looks very nice to me.

Yesterday I made some small parts (boxes) from plastic, which possibly contain some appatures for measurements. (thermometer, barometer and others)
From thick aluminium-sheets/ foil also I made 2 camera-covers, I´ll make the other 2 later.

Photos will follow soon.

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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 03:41 PM GMT+7
next update:
the small boxes for equipment for V.14...




the color-charts for V.14


not really good, perhaps I can make new ones.


the second thermo-tube.

but I think, I have to make this part again. (bending plastic only)


2 camera-covers for one lander. the other set will follow later.




and a testbuild using the Venera-9/10 lander parts with the soil-penetrator for V.14

I hope, the finished (painted) one looks better than in this picture. ;-)

greetings...
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 04:17 PM GMT+7
update:

I will replace the 2 color-charts by new ones, made from plastic.
now the first completed part looks much better!
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Posted: Friday, December 11, 2009 - 08:20 AM GMT+7
The "new" color-charts (for V.14) were "built" using plastic only. Now they look better than the previous ones.






greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Monday, December 14, 2009 - 05:28 PM GMT+7
one small update:

I made a test-build (the parts are not glued and possibly not correct placed) of some instruments of the lower part. (V.14 lander)

On the upper image one can see one of the camera-covers. I should correct the lenght of this, when they were attached on the cameras. ;-)
But I planned, to put them on the ground, and perhaps the small "excess length" will not be visible.






Also I started making the big helical antenna. For this I used a reference-drawing, printed on paper, to cut the plastic-foil correctly. (images will follow later)

Also the next parts, the "teeth", are in progress... but not by me.
These are very small parts - to small for me and my poor skills.
Also more from this will follow later.

The next more complex part will be the soil-drill.
I would use some small, thin rods made of metal... combined with some plastic-parts.


If someone is interested, I can add links (or the images itself) of the newest 3D-rendered images.
These are for illustration only and some fun, which shows the lander on the surface. ;-)

greetings...
Soeren

And a bit

Congratulations to Khrunichev (the Proton-rocket manufacturer) and others for the todays successful and 350. overall launch! (3 Glonass-M satellites were brought into orbit)
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 05:29 AM GMT+7
next update:

Groza-2 antenna with microphone (I think so)


overview of the more complex parts... (including the new soil-drill)


and a comparison testbuild (not glued) of V.14 and V.9 / 10


Also I received the "teeth". Thank you very much for your patience, Thorsten!
But these very small parts have to be glued on the ring.


greetings....
Soeren
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Posted: Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 06:11 AM GMT+7
Soeren,
Your model looks great so far!
And 'm happy that I could help!
Good luck for gluing on the teeth!


Cheers,
Thorsten
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 03:19 PM GMT+7
I made a small overview of the parts which I have to add to the landing ring (V.14) on their places.
My drawing was printed a bit to small, but on the real resin-part the machines are also standing very close together, due to their "oversizeness", made by me.
But I think, that would not be a problem.
Also the "hydrometer" (between the soil-drill and one color-chart) can be seen, which I forgot on one of the last overvierw -pictures.





The white part on the soil-drill is not the drill-head. It was one of the parts for "stabilizing" the glued parts, and has to be removed.

The next steps will be:
a small addition to the lower part of the lander, which contains a spectrometer for analyzing the soil-drill-samples.
Also the teeth on the ring and then adding all instruments, and I have to cut out the helical antenna (on the "rippled" upper part).
Also later the 2 thermo-tubes will be added - and between them... the soil drill.

greetings...
Soeren