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LM-E or is it F (62 FS - 56FG)
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:54 AM UTC
This is my second aircraft build since returning to modelling a couple of years ago.
(yes I am that slow at building)
I liked the profile in Warpaint Special No 1 (Pg15) of LM-E picked up a s/h kit at Hendon.
A little digging on http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/56thfg.php?action=list_records&recs=50&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=50&next_page=7#tabletop showed an anomoly on the serial number as described in the book. The plane is listed in the text as 275853 LM-E whilst the serial on the tail is drawn as 276363, which little friends lists as LM-F assigned to Lt Joseph Powers. Can any one clarify the situation as well as possible colours. Some of the threads would indicate the 62 FS were not adverse to a complete repaint unlike the illustration which implies a splash of medium sea grey over olive drab.
I also chose this aircraft as I could make up the lettering myself. Little friends would seem to suggest nose-art as well!

Any hoo any help/ideas would be appreciated.

Hopefully as this is only my second ever post some pictures should appear of the cockpit and I now have a deadline to make...
Cheers
Rossy


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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 03:40 PM UTC
The serial number also shows Billy Edens as the pilot:
There has the noseart you mentioned
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=56&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=221&Temp=2217&searchString=



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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 03:44 PM UTC
One more time:

Lt. Billy G Edens, Tyronza, AR. 62nd Fighter Squadron. P-47D 42-76363 LM-F. Date and circumstances of crash illustrated currently unknown. Photo: USAAF
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2009 - 06:17 PM UTC
For colours your probably looking at RAF Dark Green and Ocean Grey top colours which was pretty much a standard ( if indeed there WAS a standard) marking for the 62nd FS aircraft around that time.
Most evidence points to many of the undersides being painted in a grey colour. Possibly Medium Sea Grey, although some aircraft may have been left in bare metal on the underside.
4276363 was a D16, which would have been delivered in the Olive Drab/Neutral Grey scheme, so its possible that the underside may have been left in that colour. It's also possible that the grey was applied over the existing olive drab.
Paint schemes for the 56th FG aircraft are many and varied which adds even more to its appeal for modellers of the P-47!
Hope this helps
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:31 AM UTC
Many thanks for the info guys. No excuses for not getting on now.

Cheers

Rossy
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:40 AM UTC
Looking forward to seeing her come together!
Your Thanks are appreciated also.
East Mids?,,,hello neighbour!
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 02:27 PM UTC
I did not realize that I have decals for your subject. Here is Aeromaster's take on LM-F.

I cannot see the black crew panel (on the decal sheet) in the photo. It also directly contradicts the the color profile I previously posted (different kill markings).
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 11:24 AM UTC
Right chaps - ocean grey over olive drab with nuetral grey lowers it is then. I like that colour profile Rex.

By the way Nige - only just East Midlands I live in Bedfordshire

Cheers

Rossy
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Posted: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 12:07 PM UTC
Rossy,

I am inclined to agree. I have a film clip of the 62nd FS taxing to takeoff position. I just reviewed it to be sure.
There were quite a few painted a/c as well as a bunch of NMF ones. The painted ones resembled your subject.
I could make out:
LM-E (definitely NOT your subject, too much noseart) "Flack Sack"Mal
Littlefriends.co.uk has a screenshot (cleaned up compared to mine) of it.
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=56&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=215&Temp=2211&searchString=
LM-W
LM-A "Stalag Luft III I Wanted Wings" This one was definitely green(grey or gray).
I did not see anything resembling Medium Green and faded Olive Drab (brown).

Now this does not preclude Nigel from saving the day with a never heretofore photo.

-Rex



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Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 11:57 AM UTC
Having missed the campaign deadline - I dislocated my thumb in November playing hockey, I have slowly been working my may through the project.

Many of the smaller parts are painted and assembled.

I got the fuselage buttoned up having pre-painted the zinc chromate yellow 'Mr Colour Zinc chromate type 2' from their interior colours set. Primed with good old halfords grey primer. Gotta love tha stuff. Undersides Xtracolour 'Neutral Gray' - This looks quite light especially compared to colour profiles. I then painted the topside Humbrol 166 for that faded look having first pre-shaded. This looked quite good.

This was the masked off using blue tack and cling film (cheap as chips)




This is the first time I have used cling film and it turned thus:



I was quite pleased with the results (always those small niggles- like my olive drab being too faded the ocean grey obliterating the preshading - just an oppurtunity to try post shading).

After that the plane was masked ready for the 'invasion stripes'





After painting the invasion stripes the insignia (from montex) were placed on. I had already position some masks before stripes were painted on.



When they were removed I had a little set back as can be seen.





Thats the progress so far - hopefully a couple more weeks will see the 'old gal' nailed together so to speak.

Rossy

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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 08:03 AM UTC
Looking good Rossy.
Glad to hear the thumbs better.
Shame about the paint lifting but with a bit of careful masking it'll all work out fine.
Billy Edens "Timeless Voices" interview features on the homepage of the 56thFG website at the moment.
Its a fascinating story, and I'd highly recommend watching it
www.56thfightergroup.co.uk

Nige
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2010 - 11:44 AM UTC
Nige - Many thanks for that link. I watched it straight away.
Whilst most aircraft have a story to tell I am 'well chuffed' Billy Edens flew this 'Jug'.
To quote Red Dwarf - ' What a Guy'

Well another month has passed. I have made slow progress. Work and all that getting in the way blah blah woe is me etc etc. Have I said I am a slow builder....oh yes...
Anyhoo I rubbed down and repainted the olive drab parts of the camo - micromesh lightly polished - (understatement I mean hardly touched) the xtracolour ocean grey - so didn't require repainting . Once complete this was then flatted of with xtracolour XDFF matt varnish.



The undersides were reworked by sticking bits of tape in appropriate places and re-sprayed, I had also flatted off just one side underneath as an experiment with XDFF again. This side retained all its paint after de-masking. The other side lost one small segment of white - not too bad a result and perhaps something to remember.
You can also just about see some of the pre-shading in this photo - hurrah



The top side had a brand new star and bar added from the one left over from the Montex sheet - success - all the paint stayed where it should.



The two photos show the plane after the first coat of 'Klear' has gone on.

Other detail work has been going on so we are now getting tantalisingly close.



Parts below ready for a wash and decalling.



So another couple of weeks..... hang on I feel a touch of the old deja vu.

Rossy

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Posted: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 10:05 AM UTC
Another month slips by ...but look almost finished - only 6 months late.....



and



Just a few things to finish off / bits I've missed, ariel wire and landing lights.
Still thinking of the best way to those.

Thanks to all who have helped getting her this far.

All the Best

Rossy
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 - 08:36 AM UTC
Looking very good Rossy and well worth the wait.
It doesn't matter how long it takes to get a kit finished, its a hobby not a deadline
I wouldn't worry about the ariel wire. Its extremely rare to see one on a P-47 in the ETO at that stage of the war as they were using different types of radio by then I believe. Certainly the later models didnt require ariel wires. ( M for instance).
Wingtip lights.. I use regular white glue from the stationers. You only need a drop and it dries clear. Any access can be removed easily as well.
Hope this helps
Nige
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 11:29 AM UTC
Yes it does - it has saved me a job plus explains why so few lines are visible on later photos. White glue seems to have worked fine.

Many Thanks

David
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 06:22 PM UTC
Hello everybody,

I just to registered to kitmaker.net only to reply to this seven years old thread. This is probably not going to get any replies anytime soon, but I'm not in a burry. Though I did build some plastic model kits as a kid, on a very childish skill level compared to you guys, these days rc airplanes are my hobby.

I want to build a Razorback version P-47, which is going to be my biggest building project yet, and it might take years, assuming the project doesn't run out of steam somewhere along the way. I haven't even started building yet, you could say I'm in a research and development phase. And of course I'm way ahead of myself in thinking about a paint job already. So far, this design is my very favorite. Probably because I used to have this plastic model kit collecting dust in the attic and the box cover art engraved in my brain:



Unfortunately years ago I sold it on ebay, together with many other unbuilt kits. Might have to acquire one again. Also, this kit only adds to the confusion. According to it's painting instructions the bird is not supposed to have invasion stripes under the wings. But I think the kit designers may not have done too much research; the serial on the box art is wrong, the decal sheet includes neither nose art nor kill markings. Another thing: Do we even know for sure the two photographies of the belly landed plane show LM-F and not just some similar bird? I can't see the F on the fuselage and the serial is unreadable.


What I like about this design: Camouflage pattern looks more interesting than simple olive drab. Invasion stripes. Some bright colors, good for visibility, but not too much. (Not a fan of too colorful parrots such as Tarheel Hal.) So I think I'd like to use this specimen as a template for my rc airplane, whenever that may be. Or a similar one. Pin-up Girl nose art would be very welcome.

Do you guys have any new information, clearing-up the confusion? Pictures? Nose arts?

Thanks in advance.
Hardy