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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 08:34 AM UTC
Hoped to get this finished to add to the Pacific campaign but it was not to be, so I decided to start a separate thread.

Figures are stock Dragon from their set 6379 and I wanted to re-create that tense feeling of moving through unfamiliar territory not knowing what is around the next bush.

Enough waffle, here is a mock-up of the scene;



I knew the background foliage would make or break this project so I just blocked the base colours in on the figures and started on the jungle first ;



The lower broad-leafed plants such as the Monstera (cheese plant) are laser cut paper from Fredericus Rex Greenline, the smaller bamboo is scratchbuilt from painted paper and wire and the larger bamboo "trees" are made from cocktail sticks turned in a dremel. Everything is painted in acrylics.

Still a lot more to add, and I haven't even started on the ground yet

Here is the scene in context, (something going horribly wrong with the white balance on my camera here, so apologies !)



And another one with some more bamboo in the foreground.



I haven't decide whether I am going to use the second figure yet. In the unpainted pictures it seems the figures are moving around the jungle rather than through it.

Believe it or not, this figure is nearly finished but the quality of the photo's is so poor it is hard to tell. Time to get out the camera manual

Anyway, comments and suggestions welcome. More soon !

Andy
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 09:18 AM UTC
Oh interesting!

I will be following....

:)

Mark

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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 09:18 AM UTC
Cheers Mark !!

Hopefully some better pictures (Still out of focus though)





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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 10:25 AM UTC
Very nice. Uniforms, shading & hi-lighting are well done. Keep the progress photo's coming.

-ralph
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 05:07 PM UTC
Well done....although i know you're not done....but a very GOOD job, nonetheless....Dragon did a good job with the figures also they're carryin' M1903 'Springfields'; the Marines did not have the Garand at that time - Garands made their first appearnce on the Island when the Army moved in to relieve the Marines....I began my figure painting with Tamiya 1/35th figures - great for their time, but long eclpised by Dragon, Hornet, et. al. You've got the shading & highlighting down well....the cartridge belts are superb....I started painting with the old Imrie/Risley paints - available at the time from the Soldier Shjop in NYC and from Squadron...once I realized the limitations of that paint, I slowly moved to oils - but not for the Tamiya fiugures...by the time I switched to oils I'd gone on to 54mm & larger. As i said - Great Work...the best way to improve is to go to various Militasry figure/ modelling shows and enter your work in the appropriate category (ies)...competition will make you better and as well, you'll talk to other painters and get ideas & tips from them,,,

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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 07:57 PM UTC
It looks like it's going to be very nice vignette. I can't wait to see next step.
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 08:56 PM UTC
Looking real good so far. I like the foliage.

Mario
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 09:05 PM UTC
Hello Andy,

It's always candy for the eyes to see your neat work.
I love the green of the bambou, the color is really flashy, I like that.
Those figures from Dragon are damn good, the posing is excellent. I wanted to make exactely the same pair months ago, but I ruined the base coat, and it disgusted me to go any further in the painting....

May I make some suggestions ?
Bamboo have long leaves at the intersection of each trunk. Bigger is the trunk higher are the leaves. I think if you were to add some, they would have to be on top. A reference picture :
http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://ile-de-la-reunion.info/photos/im/bambou.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ile-de-la-reunion.info/photos/bambou.html&usg=___Ao_8bipsDZBaSAw6jIAKFPOtnw=&h=546&w=728&sz=98&hl=fr&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=ht85iQTyTdn3fM:&tbnh=141&tbnw=188&ei=tinSTdTTI8et8QPexKWBCw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbambou%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1C1GGGE_frFR400FR400%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D946%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=141&vpy=282&dur=417&hovh=159&hovw=212&tx=167&ty=80&sqi=2&page=1&ndsp=45&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0
The Fredericus paper plants look good, specially the cheesy one. For the fern, I would suggest to bend not the stem but the leaves, to the down. They seem too regular for me. The extra detail would be that for each leave you paint small black lines that would reproduce well fern leaves. But here is the frontier between making scale modelling for pleasure and an harsh exercise.

A sfar as positioning is concerned, personnaly I like the picture where you put the bamboo upfront. You would have to move the first figure a little on the right side, and the other one in the background, his right shoulder being hidden by the bamboo. Personnaly this positioning would render the jungle atmosphere of density and anarchy.

Last thing, I would make all the bamboo cut at the same size, as if they were cut by the frame

My two cents, hope this helps.



Best,
Julien
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 - 11:05 PM UTC
Beautiful work so far Andy.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 05:09 AM UTC
Thanks for all the replies gents !

Ralph - Thanks, I'll keep posting WIP shots if I ever get my camera sorted (or learn how to use it)

Christopher - Well spotted, that is indeed a Springfield rifle. The trail guy is carrying the ill-fated Reising MG and as this is set in Guadalcanal, I don't have to paint the camo helmet covers either !. Have to disagree with you on the competition front, can't see how that improves my work. I quit competitions years ago - won my fair share of awards - but I do this for me, pure and simple and if other people like my stuff and I can share a bit of knowledge, then all the better

Marcin, Mario - Thanks guys, stay tuned (Haven't forgotten about the marsh article )

Julien - Bamboo leaves would not be visible at this level, there will be some dead ones on the floor planned. As for the ferns, these were literally cut from the sheet and placed to get an idea of how they look - this is nowhere near finished. Random is not as easy as it looks

Jesper - Thanks for the comment.

More soon,

Andy
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 06:32 AM UTC
Had a bit of a play with the composition and settled on this as a final layout. I think it gives more of a moving "through" the jungle feel, which is beginning to get quite difficult in such a small base. I moved the second guy back slightly and put some more bamboo in the foreground.







As I said, there is still a lot more work on the foliage to do and obviously the figures are only semi-done but I think the whole thing "feels" better. (Second opinions please )

Andy
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 07:52 AM UTC
Hey Andy, great vign. You are doing a real nice job with this. Those figures are fantastic in my opinion. With the two figures looking in different directions, it looks the part of nervous marines in the jungle. I have two sets and want some more, one of the best D.M.L. came out with. Surprized that the allied weapon set did not come with the bolt action springfields Your bamboo looks good and I'm sure this will turn out to be a winner in most eyes. It already is with me.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 08:03 AM UTC
Andy,
for me this is the best composition you could find, znd the one that gives the better rendering of the jungle atmosphere, to my opinion.
The playing with the shades of the leaves would add a lot to the atmosphere. maybe you coup put some leaves (not bamboo ones, I understand ) in the upper part, that would reinforce the shades.
Best and keep up like this
Best,
Julien
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Posted: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 01:37 PM UTC
Andy,

Your vignette of "The Old Breed" on "Gawdawfulcanal" is turning out excellent!

The dates are all the 17th--do you really work that fast (I can't get the box open that fast )?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 - 03:09 PM UTC
This is really well executed. I am always amazed at what some people can do with Dragon figures
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Posted: Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 08:20 AM UTC
Great painting, as always Andy! You inspire me to take out my own set, if I only had the time.

Cheers!
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Posted: Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 10:41 PM UTC
Andy, with more jungle added it looks much better.
Maybe it's not the best idea as your vignette is quite small, but maybe you marines could go up the stream.
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Posted: Friday, May 20, 2011 - 05:31 AM UTC
Bob - Thanks for the comments. I really like this set, the poses are quite away from the normal walking or standing poses that Dragon usually do. The fabulous boxart pretty much gave me the idea straight away, hope I can pull it off !

Julien - Thanks. I know what you mean about the upper canopy leaves, I will see if I can do something about that towards the end, it would cast some really nice shadows perhaps.

Frederick - I pretty much get in the zone and do as much as I can whilst the enthusiasm is still there. The unpainted mock up has been on my workbench for some time but I have just re-watched the HBO miniseries so wanted to get this done. This is taking quite some time to get all the foliage made and painted, it just looks like I'm working quickly !!

Matthew - Thanks for the comment. Dragon figures are cheap (compared to building armour !) and I don't mind chopping them into pieces

Stefan - Thanks a lot. I know, I look at all the boxes of figures I have and know I will never get to the end of them. I try to allocate some time and have a definite idea of what I want to achieve in that period. Never works though

Marcin - Thanks, I think so too. I did have the stream idea but as you say, the base is too small, especially with two figures on it. The plan is to have a carpet of dead bamboo leaves on the ground with some creeping vines and some more smaller plants growing through it. The plant in the foreground next to the bamboo clump is the kind of thing I am going to use, these are etch brass from Lion Roar.

It may look like I am limiting myself with such a small base, but all my bases are the same size. I have a modular way if displaying them and I think it works really well but it does limit what I can put on a vignette, have to get a bit creative !

Hopefully more of an update this weekend, if she doesn't have too many jobs for me to do at home
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Posted: Friday, May 20, 2011 - 11:51 AM UTC
I like the changes you've made Andy. As you say, it gives a more "Going through the jungle" look. And it does that without hiding the figures. Well thought plan my friend, well thought indeed.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 - 09:50 AM UTC
Jesper - Thanks, I think it really works better now with this layout.

Anyway, in exchange for me cooking all weekend, I was allowed to work on this a bit more. Apart from the helmet chin strap and the rifle sling, this guy is about done. I tried to hint at the HBT texture by adding a few lines just in the highlight areas and I think it works quite well even if it looks slightly like he is wearing pyjamas !

Had a go at doing a sweat stain down the centre of his back but I am not really happy with this bit, it is not too visible on the vignette though, so I'll live with it for now.







And for those of you who are wondering, Saturday spinach & ricotta ravioli, Sunday hot & sour soup with prawn dumplings
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 - 06:36 PM UTC
Very nice, I like the HBT lines... it must have been a pain to do all the thin straight lines. Any tips? The sweat patches are cool, those are often overlooked and I think they go really well with the hot climate figures like these two.

Mario
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 10:04 AM UTC
You can spray the HBT lines with a piece of masking tape, the thin lines cut out with a sharp scalpel. The mask can be replaced easily and fits also folds.
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2011 - 08:36 AM UTC

Quoted Text

You can spray the HBT lines with a piece of masking tape, the thin lines cut out with a sharp scalpel. The mask can be replaced easily and fits also folds.



Wow, that certainly is dedication . Nothing so dramatic from my hands, just a thin stripe of the base colour (remember that I only added a few stripes to the highlighted areas, so the base colour shows up but it is not too overpowering).

Sorry for the lack of progress, started a new job a couple of months ago and now I am struggling to make time for this. Rest assured I will get back into the swing of things soon (ish)

Andy
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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 03:35 AM UTC
Afternoon folks,

Not really an update as such, but just got myself a new camera so thought I would have a play and upload the results.

Hopefully these pictures are a bit clearer than the previous ones.

Progress on the vignette will continue after the news....






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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2011 - 06:42 PM UTC
Andy, you are doing a great job. Hope to see some more updates soon.

Cheers,
Mario