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Waiting for a new steam locomotive in 1/35th
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2019 - 08:51 PM UTC

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Very Sweet!

I like the use of the 2 horsepower locomotive and also the photographer using the tiny flatcar as a camera dolly!



Hi, All!

This is ALL very fine but didn't we start out with the WWII US Army S160 2-8-0 Steam Locomotive..?

Just asking...
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 02:53 AM UTC
We did - you are correct, but . . . . . .

#1 - this thread has grown to encompass any/all items relating to railroading during the war years in the 1/35th scale world.

and

#2 - While Commander Models continues to carry the S-160 locomotive in their catalog it has been "TBA" now for years. It is my understanding that all the patterns and molds are complete and the kit only lacks a complete instruction manual.

I have written to Commanders a number of times. Once even offering to accept the kit WITHOUT the instructions. They have now reached the point where they no longer bother to respond to my inquires.

A few months ago I even related these facts in this thread and asked all interested parties to start an e-mail campaign to encourage Commanders to again move on this issue.

I have no knowledge if anyone else responded to my request.
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 03:18 AM UTC
Personally I continue in the position that a US built war/export locomotive SHOULD be available in 1/35th scale to the hobby market. It should appear right alongside all the German locomotives that continue to be churned out by the hobby industry.

To my knowledge that list would include only two possibilities: the diminutive 0-6-0 tank engine built by H.K. Porter & Company and the chunky 2-8-0 S-160 Consolidation built by a number of manufactures for the US Government exclusively for export to the countries of Europe.

Of this last entry over 2100 copies were built to Army Transportation Corps standards by all the major US Locomotive manufactures between 1942 and 45. These engines served nearly everywhere! They served in England, in almost every nation in Eastern and Western Europe as the Allies advanced, were exported to India and North Africa and even served post-war in Alaska.
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 05:01 AM UTC

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Personally I continue in the position that a US built war/export locomotive SHOULD be available in 1/35th scale to the hobby market. It should appear right alongside all the German locomotives that continue to be churned out by the hobby industry.

To my knowledge that list would include only two possibilities: the diminutive 0-6-0 tank engine built by H.K. Porter & Company and the chunky 2-8-0 S-160 Consolidation built by a number of manufactures for the US Government exclusively for export to the countries of Europe.

Of this last entry over 2100 copies were built to Army Transportation Corps standards by all the major US Locomotive manufactures between 1942 and 45. These engines served nearly everywhere! They served in England, in almost every nation in Eastern and Western Europe as the Allies advanced, were exported to India and North Africa and even served post-war in Alaska.



Hi, Mike!

I VEHEMENTLY AGREE!

Speaking of US Steam Locomotives, wouldn't a series of civilian New York Central J-Class 4-6-4 Hudsons be nice in 1/35 scale? Or Pennsylvania K-4s 4-6-2 Pacifics? Or for that matter, a series of 4-6-6-4 Challengers or a 4-8-8-4 "Big Boy"..? As a matter of fact, ANY US-made civilian or military US-made Steam Locomotive would be nice in 1/35... I'm being frivolous, of course!

First of all a 1/35 NYC Hudson would make for a fairly large model, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. NYC Hudsons have been produced in G scale, (which is supposed to be roughly 1/24 scale), by I-forget-whom. But these are produced for an entirely different market, altogether.

Second, I hardly think that ANY plastic kit manufacturer would EVER deign to produce ANY US-built Steam Locomotive in 1/35, when they won't even bother to produce PROPER M10s, M36s, M18s or M8 HMCs...

There are veritable oceans of other common US-made military AND civilian vehicles that SHOULD come to see the light of day in 1/35 plastic, but they NEVER WILL...
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 06:13 AM UTC
All I can say to that is "It's a great time to be a modeler!"

The advent of CAD and 3D printing has dramatically reduced the time, effort and $$$'s it takes to do a design and make a pattern. Those technologies are what/who we have to thank for the great improvements in our hobby. As well as all the fresh new models we are seeing.

As to the future - anything is possible!

p.s. I already have my NYC Hudson in S gauge so I am happy on that score!
(IMHO possibly the most beautiful "toy" model locomotive ever made!)


Mike Koenig photo 2017
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 06:30 AM UTC
I don't know if this is pertinent (or perhaps more like impertinent) to show here.

Some recent wartime model railroad & bridge projects in process: (1/35th scale)


Bridge and abutments.
(Bridge made from several repurposed HO scale railroad bridges.)

The bridge and the flatcar. (Flatcar is a much revamped Dragon model.)


The flatcar and loading ramp.


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Not a railroad project but a bridge none-the-less.
(Gerat-K Engineer's Pioneer Bridge)




Building the above . . .

. . . . . to hopefully create what's shown below.

Individual bridge trusses made from multiple N scale bridge parts.)
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 07:35 PM UTC

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All I can say to that is "It's a great time to be a modeler!"

The advent of CAD and 3D printing has dramatically reduced the time, effort and $$$'s it takes to do a design and make a pattern. Those technologies are what/who we have to thank for the great improvements in our hobby. As well as all the fresh new models we are seeing.

As to the future - anything is possible!

p.s. I already have my NYC Hudson in S gauge so I am happy on that score!
(IMHO most beautiful "toy" model locomotive ever made!)


Mike Koenig photo 2017



My Steam-era stuff is all HO in high-end plastic, "Hybrids" in brass/plastic/die-cast, or brass- Mostly BROADWAY LIMITED's stuff with a few of their "Hybrids", such as the streamlined Dreyfuss J3 "Super Hudson" and a couple of L4 Mohawks, plus brass editions of other NYC types from KEY, WESTSIDE, GEM, ALCO, LMB and SUNSET. The New York, Ontario & Western is a BIG favorite of mine, since it was a carrier in the area in which I live... CAMELBACKS!!! I also have a couple of the NYO & W "400"-series Y Class and Y-2 Class 4-8-2s... I could go on and on...
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Posted: Sunday, April 07, 2019 - 02:26 PM UTC
Tonight the family went to see the new Disney movie "Dumbo". All other comments aside there were two trains appearing in the movie. (both completely digital as was most of the movie.) The first train was practically a total embarrassment to any modeler or railfan* but the second interestingly enough was an Army troop train and it was pulled by a very well done S-160 steam locomotive like the one on display at Ft. Eustis, Army Transportation Museum. It is a shame that the better looking locomotive appeared for only a few seconds while the viewer was tortured for several minutes by that other "steam abomination".

*What is the logic of making a film that is intended to appear "real" only to design a locomotive that then looks like a cartoon? They might as well have used a "Thomas the tank engine" and been done with it!
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Posted: Sunday, April 07, 2019 - 05:13 PM UTC

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Tonight the family went to see the new Disney movie "Dumbo". All other comments aside there were two trains appearing in the movie. (both completely digital as was most of the movie.) The first train was practically a total embarrassment to any modeler or railfan* but the second interestingly enough was an Army troop train and it was pulled by a very well done S-160 steam locomotive like the one on display at Ft. Eustis, Army Transportation Museum. It is a shame that the better looking locomotive appeared for only a few seconds while the viewer was tortured for several minutes by that other "steam abomination".

*What is the logic of making a film that is intended to appear "real" only to design a locomotive that then looks like a cartoon? They might as well have used a "Thomas the tank engine" and been done with it!



Hi, Mike!

"HOLLYWOOD's movie industry" is very "intermittent" when it comes to realism- "ARTISTIC LICENSE" seem to be the "watchwords" there. What that means is that the people that put these movies and TV shows together RARELY do enough research to make anything that approaches "real life", ESPECIALLY in their story-lines and "props", which more and more, are computer-generated.

It is getting to be very rare for me to watch anything "Based On Real History" any more, without getting completely disgusted with all of the OUT-AND-OUT MISTAKES, FABRICATIONS, AND DELIBERATE DOUCH-BAGGERY that is purported to represent "real" people, events and the various "props" that go along with the story. This is how HOLLYWOOD misleads people into thinking that whatever they see on the "big screen" or at home on their "boob-tubes" is "accurate and truthful"...

For example, I don't know if you are familiar with the HBO "DEADWOOD" TV series of some years ago, but they did get the idea across that Deadwood was a cesspool, and that SOME of the characters were real, but all of the rest was pure MOONSHINE. In fact, the "real" story of Deadwood and it's notable characters would probably have made a more interesting story... The same can be said for the other big "block-buster" HBO series, "BOARDWALK EMPIRE", and more recently, the "DUNKIRK" movie...

I don't even watch TV any more... Enough said...

HOW did we get onto THIS subject?!? I thought this thread was supposed to be about the absence of any WWII US Army Steam Locomotives on the market..?
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Posted: Monday, April 08, 2019 - 01:53 AM UTC
Up to now we have been "covering" (discussing) the S-160* US built locomotives quite a lot on this thread. My current movie related comments stem from the fact that Disney chose to represent an S-160 pulling a troop train in the movie and to do so very accurately, albeit only in the background. - That is the connection here.

* For a long time I actually thought the S-160 WOULD BE the next steam locomotive to appear in 1/35th scale model form. However Commander Models seem to have dashed all those hopes and while it is still listed in their online catalog, will no longer even respond to my written inquiries.
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Posted: Monday, April 08, 2019 - 02:05 AM UTC
A very informative Wikipedia page covering the S-160 locomotive can be found at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USATC_S160_Class


Also a nice S-160 running on British rails video at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K80xeChTfuE
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Posted: Monday, April 08, 2019 - 03:43 AM UTC
One metaphor comes to mind when discussing RR's and is complimentary as well:

..."if God had meant man to fly, he wouldn't have built all those railroads!"...

More 1/35 rail stuff please!!



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Posted: Monday, April 08, 2019 - 04:47 AM UTC

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Up to now we have been "covering" (discussing) the S-160* US built locomotives quite a lot on this thread. My current movie related comments stem from the fact that Disney chose to represent an S-160 pulling a troop train in the movie and to do so very accurately, albeit only in the background. - That is the connection here.

* For a long time I actually thought the S-160 WOULD BE the next steam locomotive to appear in 1/35th scale model form. However Commander Models seem to have dashed all those hopes and while it is still listed in their online catalog, will no longer even respond to my written inquiries.



Yeah, I was communicating with COMMANDER MODELS myself, regarding their "soon to be released" 1/35 S-160. They had come a good, long way on it, and then all of a sudden... Nothing...

Don't know what's up, and I don't think it matters at this point. I don't think we'll EVER see a 1/35 S-160 from ANYONE, unless it's a scratch-build. DITTO for a whole bunch more of US and Allied WWII subjects. I'm NOT going there, because I'll just get shot down again...
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Posted: Monday, April 08, 2019 - 04:52 AM UTC
[quote]One metaphor comes to mind when discussing RR's and is complimentary as well:

..."if God had meant man to fly, he wouldn't have built all those railroads!"...

More 1/35 rail stuff please!!

As much as I LOVE the Golden Age of Railroading, i.e. the "Steam Era", I LOVE "Wing Things" just as much. Especially the WWII-vintage FIGHTERS! These were the "Hot Rods" of the propeller-driven era...

I can name "a few" of my other "favorite" interests, but I can assure you that the list would be "LENGTHY"!!!

(Diesels, in my biased eye, are not much more than "STINK-WAGON" rolling multi-colored BRICKS...)