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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Waiting for a new steam locomotive in 1/35th
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:28 PM UTC

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The next German steam engine is the BR 52, again from Trumpeter, a sizable monster 2-10-0 with tender that will take up a lot of real estate on your diorama at over 2 feet long.




YUP!!! Here we go with ANOTHER REPEAT!!! These BOZOS have NO IMAGINATION!!!
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:35 PM UTC

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Most of the current railroad kits are totally devoid of underbody detail except for an air tank or two. Those of you who know me know that just won't do "for da Chassis Man." Anyone know of a source for Westinghouse Airbrake castings in 1/35th or 1/32nd?

Don't want to have to scratch build something but hey, if ya gotta, ya gotta!



Hi, Mike! I don't know of anyone who makes any Aftermarket stuff for 1/35 kits. Modeller Extraordinaire Shep Payne used to call it "IMAGINEERING"...
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:50 PM UTC
Thanks to Freachy I now know that P.Z. models now makes European brake rigging in 1/35th scale.
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:56 PM UTC

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This is a great idea that I hope gains traction with model companies. I'd love to see an ALCo RS-1 in 1/35.

Just a thought, why not lobby for locos in 1/48? American prototypes are readily available in 1/48 - O scale.



Well as a little pun Mirror Models in now offering a European Trolley Car in 1/35 scale plastic so you could say we HAVE gained Traction.

Traction being a US expression for anything running on overhead electric power. ( If it does not generate its own power internally - it's Traction.).
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 01:16 AM UTC
Allied trains could have so much potential...
The small USATC shunter/switchers were found across Europe, Africa and beyond including China IIRC.
S-160s were very prolific in Europe and beyond,

To throw a couple more names into the hat from GB:

The Hunslet "Austerity" shunters, prolific in the UK and found post-war in Europe and Africa.

LMS "8Fs", Riddle's Austerities - 2-8-0 and 2-10-0 heavy freight locomotives built en masse for the War Department and used in Europe and Africa. Austerities found themselves from Hong Kong to Greece and many places in between.

The British outline kits would also benefit from the wide use of wartime locos in the postwar era up to the end of steam on British Rail, the Hunslet austerities in particular were used in industry up until the late 70s/80s. British rail modellers would lap them up...
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 04:32 AM UTC
Here is a real beauty shot of the Br 52
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 04:37 AM UTC
Another beauty shot - this time of what I THINK is a Br 50. I believe the only difference is the larger capacity tender. (Personally I like this one better. The half round one on the Trumpeter kit looks sort of stupid.

(American locomotive design taste showing through - the Europeans all think our locomotives look like clunky industrialized bruts.)
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 04:42 AM UTC
And now for the GERMAN armored locomotive - not unlike the one that appears early on in "the Train".
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 06:01 AM UTC
Tried to find a real reference for the armored locomotive but couldn't find anything that was an exact match on the internet:


When I found the photo below I thought I had hit paydirt but, hey, wait a minute, that's a Hollywood publicity still from the movie "the Train"!

Is this what trumpeter is using for reference now, a shot from a 1960's movie?

What the heck, I can forgive them. It was a very realistic, well done movie and the Triebwagon or whatever it is called in front of the locomotive was right on the money!!!!!!
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 06:23 AM UTC

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And now for the GERMAN armored locomotive - not unlike the one that appears early on in "the Train".



p.s. That clock on the corner of the engine house building on the box cover art is again, right out of the movie "the Train".
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 06:34 AM UTC
Michael

If you're into German armored trains, you probably know about the French 1946 movie called "La Bataille du Rail" (The Battle of the Rails). They've used a real German armored train except for the locomotive which was fitted with fake armor as the original one had been put back in civilian service . This train was the Panzerzug n32 captured intact in September 1944 by a French TD unit.

You can find the movie here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiUIBdRLRHc

The armored train appears at 55.00, but the rest of the movie is worth the watch as well

H.P.
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 06:50 AM UTC
Then we have the German C-12 Diesel Hydraulic* Locomotive also from Trumpeter. (Have you noticed a pattern here?) The 1/35th scale RR equipment is released by Trumpter and the smae subjects at release by HobbyBoss in 1/72nd scale? Kinda odd?



* Diesel Hydraulic = Engine turns an oil pump, the pump feeds oil under high preasure to an oil motor thru hoses, which then turns the wheels. Fewer moving parts, no mechanical connection to the driving axles.

Diesel Electric = Engine turns a Generator which is wired to electric motors thru mounted on the drive axles. Most simple of designs.

Diesel Mechanical = Most like a truck or car. Engine feeds power to wheels through a clutch, transmission, drive shaft and gear box(es) mounted on the drive axiles.
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 07:54 AM UTC
Here's the Panzerlok BR 57 :





H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 01:50 AM UTC
We talked of this earlier as to what might be the biggest locomotive imported from the US to Europe during or just after the war. Here is a possible canidate: A high drivered 2-8-2 Mikado. I think it comes from Baldwin Locomotive Works but it is BIG for a Mikado!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 01:59 AM UTC
TWO AMERICANS: The long wheelbase GMC and the USATC 0-6-0 built by H.K. Porter here in the states and sent to Europe as part of the Lend/Lease program:
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 02:11 AM UTC
I'm smelling a Locomotive Campaign very soon.



~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 02:24 AM UTC

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I'm smelling a Locomotive Campaign very soon.



Jeff they have one going right now - Look for "Steel Wheels" in the Latest Posts section of Armorama or click on this link:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=205736&page=3#1755168

Also they are proposing another campaign to be called "Railroad Campaign"

That can be viewed at:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=208258&page=1#1754999

The "Steel Wheels" campaign is kinda funky in that it refers to both Panzers with steel wheels AND anything Railroad related???

I can't say I understand it but whaaaaat-ever!


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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 02:45 AM UTC
Yeah, I know about them and I agree with you. They both should be separate.

But let's hold out for awhile on the Railroad Campaign next year as I believe the current one has been cancelled and the leader lost interest.



~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 03:43 AM UTC

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We talked of this earlier as to what might be the biggest locomotive imported from the US to Europe during or just after the war. Here is a possible canidate: A high drivered 2-8-2 Mikado. I think it comes from Baldwin Locomotive Works but it is BIG for a Mikado!



Hi, All! I have my doubts about this being a US-built 2-8-2, especially by Baldwin. One of Baldwin's very recognizable traits are taller cab heights and taller steam and sand domes. This one looks a bit more like an ALCO (American Locomotive, Schenectady, NY) product, what with the cab-height being in line with the top of the boiler. It could pass as a US-built locomotive, as it DOES have some very American-looking traits, aside of the VERY EUROPEAN-style smoke deflectors.

But I don't think that this is an ALCO product, either. At this time, ALCO was very busy building the New York Central L3 and L4-series 4-8-2 Mohawks, developing the S-series 4-8-4 Niagaras, and building the various 4-6-6-4 Challengers and 4-8-8-4 Big Boys. Back in 1941/42 ALCO was busy with late M3 and early M4 Mediums... So, what IS this thing?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 03:46 AM UTC

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The next German steam engine is the BR 52, again from Trumpeter, a sizable monster 2-10-0 with tender that will take up a lot of real estate on your diorama at over 2 feet long.




Hi, All! Didn't TRUMPETER already do a BR-52?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 04:24 AM UTC
That particular wording was only intended to mean the next already existing model I would be talking about, but you are the second person to miss-interrupt what I was saying. I wish I could go back and edit those earlier posts, I thought if you created the thread in the first place that you could but it appears not.

I tried.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 04:27 AM UTC
Re: The USATC S-160 Locomotive - Just in case you were wondering what that odd looking tab on the top front of the smobebox was for . . .

The lifting spanner is $14,000 extra (in current USDs) but if you buy 3 or more locomotives its FREE.

The spanner fixture certainly balances the engine perfectly!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 05:53 AM UTC
Here's a 0-6-0 in England :



H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 06:54 AM UTC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dave2006/336630525/in/set-72157594445161558

US built 0-6-0 which still exists at the Bluebell Railway in Sussex, UK
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 08:45 AM UTC
Darn Seebees will build a railroad ANYWHERE!

This photo came off the Seebee Museum website - lots more interesting photos - check it out!