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Impressions of new Meng Renault FT-17
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Posted: Sunday, August 13, 2017 - 10:22 AM GMT+7
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A few ideas to help Frank out deciding what to do with that second kit.

I also hope they follow-up with a Mk IV and/or Whippet to replace the Emhars.

The Marines had them in China.

Some one had this in his garage for years and it still ran. I drove it out of the garage and onto the low boy.


these are not FT's, but M1917's.



True, you can see the fuel tank is fitted to left side as was standard on the M1917.
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Posted: Sunday, August 13, 2017 - 02:23 AM GMT+7
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A few ideas to help Frank out deciding what to do with that second kit.

I also hope they follow-up with a Mk IV and/or Whippet to replace the Emhars.

The Marines had them in China.

Some one had this in his garage for years and it still ran. I drove it out of the garage and onto the low boy.


these are not FT's, but M1917's.
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 09:26 PM GMT+7
We got a necro here
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Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 02:12 PM GMT+7
[quote]A few ideas to help Frank out deciding what to do with that second kit.

I also hope they follow-up with a Mk IV and/or Whippet to replace the Emhars.

The Marines had them in China.

Some one had this in his garage for years and it still ran. I drove it out of the garage and onto the low boy.
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 10:46 PM GMT+7
Lots of neat ideas for kitbashing the FT 17 . I know I've seen a model of the French 75mm gun out there somewhere . Hopefully the kit will be a best seller and some AM company ( Mirror ) , or maybe even Meng , will produce the rivetted style turret as well .
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 06:22 PM GMT+7
Good work as always Frenchy.

I’d seen many of those sites and images.

The STA didn’t appeal to me as much visually with all the additional structure. I was drawn to the Renault solution by the cleanness of the design – if faulted operationally.


I’m still confused by this notation, which is the source of my mentioning an Italian connection.

“According to landships site, it was a 105 mm howitzer that was mounted by the Italians on a FT-17, not a 75 mm gun. In the background of the 3rd picture, one can see the tube of a 155 GPF. I don't think that this gun was used by Italy.”

What seems odd to me is that they reference Landships as saying it’s 105mm, while to my reading Landships mentions interest in possibly mounting that caliber in the section intro, but presents all the photos as being examples of 75mm – based on the 9/3/18 specification. Also, I find no reference to Italy in that whole section.

So we have various vague references to Italy, but I don‘t see anything concrete. On the other hand, the suggestion of the suited man in the walled compound wearing the “1930’s hat” could have merit. What nationality are the uniforms? The two military hats appear to be different.


I don’t understand something. The WoT guys seem to spend so much time discussing their inventory and definitions, when do they ever find time to play their game? And, do they actually memorize all that stuff?
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 10:08 AM GMT+7
In fact the thread I've mentioned above refers to the article on Landships.info website some of you may know already...

http://www.landships.info/landships/tank_articles.html?load=tank_articles/Renault_SPGs.html

H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 07:20 AM GMT+7
Just found some corroborating info about French FT-based 75mm SPG projects ( + pics) in this thread :

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/200193-italian-tanks/page__st__880

HTH

H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 05:05 AM GMT+7
Hi Charles

I guess the one in the last two pics is a 75mm SPG indeed. Here's the French 75mm Model 1887 gun :



Looks to be the same gun to me

The SPG in your pics may be of the three FT-based 75mm SPG projects that appeared at the end of 1918 (see here ). Could be the Renault one...

Here are the two others :

75 Chenille STA :



75 Chenille STAV :



H.P.

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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 02:05 AM GMT+7
Here's that second French site (needing a tinyurl) -

http://www.chars-francais.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=688&Itemid=36&limit=1&limitstart=3
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 02:03 AM GMT+7
A few ideas to help Frank out deciding what to do with that second kit.

I also hope they follow-up with a Mk IV and/or Whippet to replace the Emhars.


Head east, young man. FT-Ko:





The German version - fresh off the assembly line.





FT 75 BS - with a short barreled Blockhaus Schneider 75mm gun, ~40 produced





This French site has a lot of photos.

http://po2260.perso.sfr.fr/FT17/FT17.htm#MENU

Another French site – this one has the below images in their FT 75 section, but it sure looks to me like a much bigger gun – not to mention the mounting. I saw one suggestion of an Italian connection. If anyone knows or finds out anything, I’m curious just what it is.






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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 - 02:43 PM GMT+7
Hi there
I'll hopefully get this one soon, so I can do a build review for you all. From what I've seen from Jim's box opening, it certanly looks sweet. Can't wait.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 - 12:13 PM GMT+7
Looking forward to this new FT17 and yes we're in dire need of more state of the art WW1 tanks especially with the WW1 anniversary coming up.

The old Emhar Male and female tanks are well past their sell by date.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 - 10:08 AM GMT+7
I hope Meng follows up with further WWl era tanks and vehicles. (Dragon, Bronco, AFV, et al are also cordially invited to join the party).
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 07:30 PM GMT+7
Memg may have a winner on their hands here. I'm not really in to older tanks any more but I'm probably going to have to get this kit. There's something about it that is just so cool.



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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 07:23 PM GMT+7
Correct, check out Jim's video covering the unboxing of this kit for a quick education on the turret types used. The historical segment is towards the end.

http://armorama.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=features&file=view&artid=5049
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 01:51 PM GMT+7

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Do the sprues contain parts to make this version? Drawing from Barry Beldam's Armoured Acorn site:




The new Meng release is a cast turret so unfortunately not suitable for the example you posted.
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 01:05 PM GMT+7
I couldn't possibly say for sure. As I understand it the FT-17 and its American equivalent (M1917) were little changed after 1918. There were differences in the turret: the Meng is has a cast turret that's quite circular. But it can be fitted with a 37mm gun. The kit claims you can give it four types of armament. As noted, three of the four color schemes are from WWII. I believe someone has a video of the model now on YouTube.
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 10:16 AM GMT+7
Do the sprues contain parts to make this version? Drawing from Barry Beldam's Armoured Acorn site:

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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 10:01 AM GMT+7
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They have a GREAT selection of WWI and pre-WWII armor...


I did say "good" models, and although I didn't mention it, I meant plastic. It's about time for some better quality WWl vehicles.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 07:29 PM GMT+7
The Somua S35 certainly needs a newly-tooled kit, as do the A7V and MK IV/V landships. The Whippet would be a good candidate as well. I think the FT-17 is probably the right place to start for pre-WWII tanks as it is the archetype for the general design of all following tanks, and it is ripe for variants and AM conversions. They certainly had the longest service life, and were exported to most "modern" and developing armies of the time. I really can't wait to see this kit in person
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 01:24 PM GMT+7

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Now, I'm not into WW II stuff, but I was thinking.. imagine if they did something like maybe.. a Sherman with full interior.. or a Tiger I with interior.. imagine what best sellers those would be



I'd think they'd do just as well to continue on the path they're on, producing kits that the major companies don't. There are quite a few pre-1940 armor pieces that would be a welcome sight, like a Vickers 6 Ton, or a Polish 7TP, or a Somua S35, or a Panzer III A - D (to name a few). Currently these are available as very expensive resin kits, crudely done plastic kits, or not at all.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 01:15 PM GMT+7

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Well, the first good WWl tank, might be on the shelves in time for the 100th anniversity of WWl. What other companies will follow this lead?



Hi, All! If my memory serves, this MENG 1/35 FT17 will be followed by ITALERI's 1/35 FT17 soon. It'll be interesting to see how they compare to each other. Both kits feature the "round turret"...

RPM also sells a 1/35 FT17, in several different versions. TORO also manufactured several different FT17s. Unfortunately, RPM's and TORO's FT17s can't compare to the new MENG kit, since they were products of late 1980s/early 1990s technology. I believe that ADV/AZIMUT also cast some FT17s in resin, and I think COMMANDER MODELS also might have done- They have a GREAT selection of WWI and pre-WWII armor...
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 09:32 AM GMT+7
Well, the first good WWl tank, might be on the shelves in time for the 100th anniversity of WWl. What other companies will follow this lead?
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Posted: Saturday, September 07, 2013 - 10:16 PM GMT+7
I believe there were over 1500 FT-17s in French service (active and reserve) in 1940. Hundreds others were in other armies as the weapon was cheap, effective and was kept in production postwar. Light and poorly armored it would have been an obvious candidate for police duties and of course France was in control of the upper Mideast until the Brits came and Lebanon was granted independence in 1943 by DeGaulle. It would certainly be plausible that a few FTs would have made it through the war and been inherited by the new government in Beirut, although I think their part in the 48 war consisted of some skirmishes and aid to Arab paramilitaries and was very low level. But in that war anything that moved and had a machine gun would have been a weapon of some value. (As I understand it, the last Panzer IV saw action on the Golan during 1967 in Syrian colors - I've been told there's a wreck there to see.)
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