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Posted: Saturday, May 02, 2015 - 05:59 PM UTC
Hi Al!

Welcome to the salty side of the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. Hopefully I can be of some help.

Thank you for your kind words on the King, and thanking you for taking the time to follow along. I am a very slow builder as you might have guessed.

Yes, you are right, ships do require painting as you assemble. I like to think of them as a series of smaller sub assemblies built up into one larger assembly.

The choice of glue is a little bit of a case of "horses for courses". If I have a sub assembly of plastic on plastic my first option is to try to remove the paint and use a styrene based glue. Failing that my "go to" adhesive for pre-painted parts and attaching the superstructure to the deck, I use white PVA glue very slightly thinned with water.

PVA glue thinned in this way has many advantages: You can apply it with a brush; It dries clear; it will adhere to paint, brass and plastic; it washes off with water if you make a mistake; and it gives you good working time. Unfortunately, it requires that the parts are not able to move until the glue cures. Not so good on PE that needs to be vertical and free standing-eg railings.

For PE, I generally use medium super glue for the tiny parts that need to adhere quickly. For the railings I will tack on the longer runs with super glue then using a brush run a bead of thinned PVA along the entire length. Thus the superglue holds the railing in place while the PVA has a chance to dry. Once dry, the PVA is much stronger in holding the railing than CA alone.

Be careful on the wooden deck with the PVA glue though, as the timber will want to 'suck up' the water used to dilute it. It is always advisable to 'seal' all your wooden decks with a clear cote of gloss varnish before applying them to your vessel. (Seal both sides if it is not self adhering). This helps later on with gluing objects to the deck and also protects it from aging. Later on you can seal the whole vessel in a matt varnish that will hide the gloss on the deck, plus any 'shiny' adhesive spots.

Good luck with your POW! They were fine ships and very distinctive. I do like your plan to get a few smaller ships under your belt before tackling the bigger ones.

Hopefully I have been of some help, Al and I do hope you will consider posting some of your builds on MSW!.

If you need any help along the way, mate, I am happy to help, and there are many friendly and talented modellers here on the site, who would be more than happy to help also.

Russ

PS. update coming soon-I promise!
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2015 - 12:41 AM UTC
Russ,

I am new to ship modeling after having built armor and have a couple of newbe questions specific to ships. With armor I would basically complete the model before painting so except for the PE all assembly was done with liquid plastic cement. What adhesive do you use to attach pre-painted parts and the superstructure to the wooden deck? What do you use to attach PE?

After seeing your build progress and what a great looking ship she is I bought the POW kit, a wood deck and a couple of different PE sets. I plan to build a couple of smaller ships before I get on this one but I can't wait. I am currently building the Rubin James FFG-57.

Thank you in advance, Al
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Posted: Monday, April 13, 2015 - 03:28 PM UTC
Thanks everyone

Dave: I'm really glad the funnels were able to be rescued, was sweating there for a bit
Si: Paint's not too bad now. Had to break my own rule and use the hairy stick on the aft funnel searchlight platform. Not a fan of hairy sticks as I just can't get them to look as good as you guys can, but I couldn't see a way around it this time
Mark: This is a Shinsengumi wood deck which was purchased before the Pontos self adhesive deck came out. Whilst very nice, it was also very expensive, costing more than the kit itself!
Albert: Glad to be sharing really think it's healthy for our little corner of the world (hobby) to get some air on the world stage.
Jan: Hopefully not too long til the next update. Not sure what to do next, but pretty certain I won't be finishing by the end of BB campaign date. Looking forward to seeing your next build too
Tim: Your Yamato is coming along very nicely! Not sure if I'll be quick enough though

Russ
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Posted: Monday, April 13, 2015 - 12:07 AM UTC
Hey Russ,

Glad to see the King is back on track. The wood decks are brilliant! Now that you are recovered from the mishap things will go quickly, I'm sure
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 11:45 PM UTC
Hi Russ,

great to see that you fully recovered from your mishap - the funnels look fantastic, as does everything on your King!!!

Fantastic work, looking forward your next update, mate!!

Cheers,

Jan
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 11:08 PM UTC
Your work is an inspiration. Thanks for taking the time to share.
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 11:00 PM UTC
Nice Recovery Russ:

Is that a wood deck or is it paint? Looks great.
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 06:18 PM UTC
Looking superb Russ,

Very clean paint job indeed, etch work very tidy too.

Si
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 05:19 PM UTC
Russell,

Beautiful paint job on the King. Clean lines and smooth paint. Amazing work on your recovery of the funnel.

Looking forward to seeing more as she develops.

Dave
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 04:18 PM UTC
13th April, 2015 update: Back on Track!

Well folks, the funnels have been successfully resprayed and shipped. Also adding in ladders and other small items that will be difficult to add later on.
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More soon, thanks for looking
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2015 - 03:10 PM UTC

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Hello Russ:

I have been following your build and was saddened to see your mishap. You seem to have found a good solution and are on the road to recovery. A lot of times a good coat of dullcote will hide those imperfections pretty good.
I mostly use acrylics since building Wingnut Wings 1/32 WWI A/C as most of their color call outs are for Tamiya Acrylics. I use both hardware store laquer thinner or MEK which also makes a great plastic cement. Naturally, I use a respirator, but; I rarely have a paint mishap and the Tamiya acrylics work extremely well with those mediums. I use them on Testors Model Master Enamels with equally excellent results.
Looking forward to more of your build.



Hi Mark!

Well good news! The funnels and HCT are back on track and will be shipped aboard tonight! I agree Mark! Many a time I've used a matt varnish to hide all manner of sins


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LOL...there should be another "bottle" I should be hitting Russ!!

The acrylic learning curve is really not too bad. I work with/for Vallejo at shows and online troubleshooting here in the States and the most common complaints toward acrylics (any of them) is tip clogging, binding to plastic and what to thin with them. I most cases the issues are easily corrected through changing air pressure and application methods.

When the time comes, we can always start a thread on Acrylic Adaptation where everyone here can join in and share their tricks and experiences using acrylics all in one place. We all stand to learn something new everyday!



Hi Todd!
Yep, I think acrylics are the way to go! I'll still be using a respirator and spray booth though
Will be a way off yet as have a lot of enamel paint to get through

Thanks for looking in
Russ
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2015 - 05:51 AM UTC
Hello Russ:

I have been following your build and was saddened to see your mishap. You seem to have found a good solution and are on the road to recovery. A lot of times a good coat of dullcote will hide those imperfections pretty good.
I mostly use acrylics since building Wingnut Wings 1/32 WWI A/C as most of their color call outs are for Tamiya Acrylics. I use both hardware store laquer thinner or MEK which also makes a great plastic cement. Naturally, I use a respirator, but; I rarely have a paint mishap and the Tamiya acrylics work extremely well with those mediums. I use them on Testors Model Master Enamels with equally excellent results.
Looking forward to more of your build.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 - 10:53 PM UTC
LOL...there should be another "bottle" I should be hitting Russ!!

The acrylic learning curve is really not too bad. I work with/for Vallejo at shows and online troubleshooting here in the States and the most common complaints toward acrylics (any of them) is tip clogging, binding to plastic and what to thin with them. I most cases the issues are easily corrected through changing air pressure and application methods.

When the time comes, we can always start a thread on Acrylic Adaptation where everyone here can join in and share their tricks and experiences using acrylics all in one place. We all stand to learn something new everyday!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 - 02:45 PM UTC

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I use only acrylics, started with Tamiya and moved to Vallejo. I just buy what I need for each model and before you know it you have almost all of the colors you need.

Bryan



Hi Bryan

I think that’s how I’ve collected so many enamels-30plus years of modelling Lots of memories of past kits in that draw.


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Hi Russell,
Nice recovery! It could have happened using enamels or acrylics but I think the latter would have been easier to strip.

I think I was out of modelling for too long to be using anything but acrylics for painting now. I only use non-acrylics for post painting work. But I can understand the dilemma you have given the investment we make in collecting a large range of paint pots.

cheers
Michael


Yep, definitely a brain fart on my behalf Michael!


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I'm with you Russ. I have resisted for years, but recent forays into acrylics (Niña and Pinta) have been encouraging. I am still much more comfortable with enamels, but the ease of use, relative lack of toxicity, and increasingly easier availability of acrylics are slowly drawing me in...


It seems most have switched over to acrylics at some point, and us toxic avengers are few and far between Tim.

What really got me thinking about it, was WEM's demise, meaning that we now need to look elsewhere for specific colour palettes. (Even though Colourcoat’s has new owners, nothing seems to been forthcoming from them.) It seems the other nail in the coffin for enamels is that postal services have banned solvents from their air freight, tipping the tide further in acrylics' favour.

Enamels have always had the edge on the acrylics in terms of colour range and durability, but with acrylics there's no toxic fumes or solvents. With a young family now, no doubt at some point they'll be wanting to have a go at Dad's hobby for themselves, to see what all the fuss is about, so that puts even more in acrylics’ favour.

The hardest part will be the change over. With a draw full of enamels, most of which still have 2/3rds of their contents remaining, and some over 20years old, this could get expensive…

Then there’s learning a whole new skillset to be able to successfully air brush acrylics as opposed to enamels… ah the drama!!!

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I use acrylics 99% of the time now...color range, ease of use and cleanup...drying time. Kind of all works out. I still love solvents like Tamiya but don't hit that bottle too much anymore.


Hehee, Todd, that sounds like there’s another kind of bottle that’s more tempting…?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 05:38 PM UTC
I use only acrylics, started with Tamiya and moved to Vallejo. I just buy what I need for each model and before you know it you have almost all of the colors you need.

Bryan
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 02:21 PM UTC
Hi Russell,
Nice recovery! It could have happened using enamels or acrylics but I think the latter would have been easier to strip.

I think I was out of modelling for too long to be using anything but acrylics for painting now. I only use non-acrylics for post painting work. But I can understand the dilemma you have given the investment we make in collecting a large range of paint pots.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 08:22 AM UTC

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...if I change to acrylics it will be a slow process

Russ



I'm with you Russ. I have resisted for years, but recent forays into acrylics (Niña and Pinta) have been encouraging. I am still much more comfortable with enamels, but the ease of use, relative lack of toxicity, and increasingly easier availability of acrylics are slowly drawing me in...

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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 05:30 AM UTC
I use acrylics 99% of the time now...color range, ease of use and cleanup...drying time. Kind of all works out. I still love solvents like Tamiya but don't hit that bottle too much anymore.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 01:35 AM UTC
Thanks everyone, for the support!

yep, hopefully paint can go on this weekend and assembly can continue to progress.

Not sure what's next: I'm thinking carley floats, and catapult, and possibly main gun barrels and 5.25"s...

Would be curious to know, what percentage of us use acrylics and what percentage use enamels?

I have a draw full of enamels of nearly every colour, so if I change to acrylics it will be a slow process

Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 01:18 AM UTC
Well done on getting some new things painted up and the strip-down items done! Sorry to see and hear about the rework involved but looks like things are in good shape to go back together! Best of luck on the repaint!!

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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2015 - 11:43 PM UTC
Great recovery Russ,

It I great to see the King getting back on course, would have been a tragedy otherwise.

Good job mate, you deserve

Si
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Posted: Monday, March 30, 2015 - 11:02 PM UTC
Russ,

great to see that you managed to recover from your mishap!! I knew you would manage

And for myself, I switched to acrylics the same day I started with my airbrush several years ago, originally for the simple reason that my shipyard is not a separate room but open to the living space and I didn't like the idea of thinner and other stuff being sprayed around. Simple alcohol - well, if you can drink it, you can breath it as well...

Looking forward to your progress now!!

Cheers mate

Jan
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 01:51 PM UTC
Thanks Guys!

Well, my nostrils certainly are paying the price today...

Makes me seriously consider swapping over to acrylics at some point...

Russ
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 12:29 AM UTC
Russell

Glad to see that in the end your perseverance paid off, even at the cost of your nostrils. Thanks for sharing this lesson. I know it will come in handy in the future

I agree with Bryan, beers are indeed the order of the day

Thanks

Dave
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 05:18 PM UTC
Russell, you have shown fortitude and constitution in the service of the Royal Navy. You deserve a medal, many a beer and a pat on the back. Those parts look ready to be installed anew and you have shown us a new method to erase our mistakes. Good work.

Bryan