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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 04:37 PM UTC
29/3/15 update.

Hi Guys! Well, what a weekend end!

First up, the items that were successfully painted! I paint all the small etch items such as hatches on the fret.





I have been thinking about what to do with all the spares from the ED PE and a 'what if' of HMS Lion has a certain appeal!

And here's the disaster that is the funnels...


And the HCT tower even had the cheek to wrinkle!

To the experiments:
I have discovered, that lacquer thinners won't work on it's own. And oven cleaner by itself is inefficient.

Here's the test mule before any 'remover' is applied! Lot's of gooey paint on this one!


If you over do it with the oven cleaner it eats into all the glue so, stick to only one application. Not only that the caustic element begins to attack the brass in the etch!


I discovered while trying to remove the paint, that lacquer thinners will remove it after only one application of oven cleaner. So here we are back at the beginning again





Note how the PVA (white glue) was attacked and the PE came off...

Now to try spraying them again!

Thanks for looking
Russ

PS this had to be the most disgusting job ever! Try to avoid it at all costs, not to mention the stink from the lacquer thinner!
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Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 01:33 AM UTC
Well folks, the experiments continue:

I'm using Testors Lacquer thinner and it seems to have had no affect on either the styrene or the filler!

Ran out of time to get some pics last night.

Hopefully will get something online over the weekend

Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 12:50 AM UTC
Russ, be very careful with the lacquer thinner, I've had it attack some (but not all) polystyrene plastics in the past.
You should be fine if you use it in small areas at a time and don't soak it (guess how I know... )

Another possibility is Poly S decal remover, which I have also used to take off enamels. It works slowly but is harmless to plastics. I don't know if it is still available, though.

Anyway, good luck. Given your skills, I'm sure you will make it work!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 - 09:28 PM UTC
Russ,

I'm keeping my breath and hoping that you manage to save your fantastic build!! Luckily you have your test mules... waiting for good news!!!

Cheers mate,

Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 - 02:30 PM UTC
Hi Dave/Jan!

I know, right? It's really frustrating to hit a road block like this.

My experiments so far and findings are thus, gents:

Oven cleaner does work. Spray it and leave it over night in a sealed bag and you can wash the paint off with a toothbrush in water.

Good news right? Not so! There is a down side-the oven cleaner eats into the adhesives and I could basically pull the test mule apart with little to no effort. I've also read that brass is going to be attacked by the caustic soda within the cleaner.

So, plan B. More internet research. Most things I could find would dissolve either the brass or the plastic. Then I read somewhere that lacquer thinners could work.

So I tried that and hey presto! It works, with little or no effort. Dip it in and a soft brush will take the paint right off!

My main concern now, is, will it remove the filler I use? I'll tell you tomorrow-with pictures!

Russ
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Posted: Monday, March 23, 2015 - 08:23 PM UTC
Oh NO!!! Just catching up with what's going on here and among the first things I see is your mishap, Russ! That's so sad... I truly hope that you manage to recover from this without any traces on the build, but I am very confident in your skills so I am sure that after a brief period of frustration and some you'll get things sorted out.
I did hear about the oven cleaner thing before, but I was told to use it on acrylics. It worked so-so...I think that Vallejo paints remained entirely unaffected, but it did not harm the model it self.
I wish you the best of luck mate, and hoping for some good news here soon

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, March 23, 2015 - 05:06 PM UTC
Russell,

I am sorry to hear about that. I know from watching your build that you will be able to turn it around.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the oven cleaner method works out.

Dave
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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2015 - 06:56 AM UTC
Thanks for the words of encouragement guys!

I hadn't heard of using oven-cleaner before, but I'm going have a go at it!

Thankfully I have a test mule for just such occasions. I'll have a run at it tonight and keep you posted!

Russ
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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2015 - 02:16 AM UTC
Oh nooooooo!

Sorry to hear of your painting disaster, especially over those lovely funnels! I agree with Tom, oven cleaner can work wonders against errant enamels, but I'd caution you to test it in an inconspicuous area first. I've never had any problems, but I hear some brands can attack the plastic as well.

Don't worry, you will recover things in no time, I'm sure - for me it is practically a tradition to make at least one big time screw up on every project! Once you are on the road to putting it right things will seem like fun again.

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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2015 - 02:03 AM UTC
Have you had any thoughts about using oven cleaner?
I've taken old (10+ years) enamel off with this method.
The oven cleaner was in a 'sqirty' bottle and I put the parts in a plastic bag and liberally squirted the cleaner inside. Leave for a day or so then rinse thoroughly with water.
I then re-painted with no problems at all.
Good Luck
Tom

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Posted: Sunday, March 22, 2015 - 01:46 AM UTC
Well gents,

I managed to scrounge some time to get some paint on! Hooray, I hear you all say!

Now for the bad news: Stupid me forgot that when using the medium gauge airbrush needle, stupid self should hold airbrush closer to objects being painted. Funnels now ruined!

Thusly I have totally botched the funnels and HCT tower as the paint went on all powdery! No problem, stupid self says, hit it with some gloss and it will dissolve the powder, right? Not so! The paint on the HCT tower even decided to wrinkle!

So, resisting the urge to throw the lot at the wall and with enough cursing to make a sailor blush, I closed the garage up and went back inside to wallow in my own sorrow and misery. Add here.

If anyone has any ideas on how to rescue the funnels I'd be glad to hear it-keeping in mind sanding is out due to all the PE on them, and the paint is enamel...

Am now pondering how to undo this disaster and even if I'll be able to finish in time for the BB campaign close... if at all...

Russ
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Posted: Thursday, March 19, 2015 - 02:07 PM UTC
Many kind words and comments guys!

Thank you all, very much.

Hopefully I'll be able to get some paint on this weekend. The man cave is all up and running now, with the exception of power, so I need to time the painting for daylight hours, and when the kids are otherwise occupied

Russ
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Posted: Thursday, March 19, 2015 - 05:38 AM UTC
Hi Russ,
Great to see an update on the King. That's very nice work with the PE. The delicate bits are looking very sharp.

cheers

Michael
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Posted: Thursday, March 19, 2015 - 12:17 AM UTC
Russ,

I know what you mean about how real life cuts into bench time - but things are looking great! I especially like the director with its mix of plastic and Eduard/WEM photoetch. Under paint all the diversity of its construction will disappear, but the depth and complexity will remain. Precise, clean work as always amigo!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 07:25 PM UTC
Great stuff Russ,

Coming on in leaps and bounds.

Very tidy paint job & etch wpork.

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 06:05 PM UTC
Russell,

your fiddly parts look good as does the Gun Director. Very nice, clean PE Work. Looking forward to seeing all of tose parts mounted to the King.

Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 04:37 PM UTC
Very nice Russ!! Parts look excellent and a bit exciting seeing everything laid out for the best part...Painting!!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 - 03:16 PM UTC
19th March Update...

It's been quite a while and I apologize folks for my absence! Real life has cut into bench time quite a bit, and I have been bogged down in the minutiae of the build...

The Eduard PE fills in the gaps in the WEM PE and they compliment each other very well.

Eduard PE bits and pieces

ladders, all 19 of 'em and every single step bent up-we must be mad!


more bits

DCT tower

funnels.. I still think the way Pontos do their funnels is the best


I love the way the director has turned out using both the Eduard & WEM PE.


Next up paint.
This will allow me to finalise the details so far before moving on to other items...
Thanks for looking
Russ
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:28 AM UTC
Hi Russell,

Good to hear, that area the way the after pompom decks interlock makes for a fun final assembly.

Si
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2015 - 03:31 PM UTC

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Hi Russ,

great update, color makes such a remarkable difference!! and always nice to see your King progressing!!

As to your choices - at the time when I did my PoW I glued everything in place before applying the clear coat and it worked ok, however, if there is one kit of a major warship that you could build out of the various subassemblies in the very final stage, then it would be the Tamiya PoW/KGV kits due to their clearly separated, boxy structures. No way trying this on the Repulse, but looking back at the PoW actually both ways seem feasible here

Cheers,
Jan



Thank you, Jan

always good to see some colour go on-it gives a sense of progress that can otherwise stall a build

Your Repulse is looking fantastic. I see what you mean about it being very busy up top. The clear coat question is one I always struggle with. The hull is the easy part, but the superstructure always leaves me wondering until that last minute when I take the plunge and either glue or paint!


Quoted Text

Great stuff Russ,

The King is coming on very nicely.

Hope you can wrangle the forward funnel in ok.

Cheers

Si



Thank you Si,

yep, should be no problem wrangling as the parts are only dry fit and the moment and not glued down

Russ
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2015 - 02:27 AM UTC
Great stuff Russ,

The King is coming on very nicely.

Hope you can wrangle the forward funnel in ok.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, January 19, 2015 - 12:19 AM UTC
Hi Russ,

great update, color makes such a remarkable difference!! and always nice to see your King progressing!!

As to your choices - at the time when I did my PoW I glued everything in place before applying the clear coat and it worked ok, however, if there is one kit of a major warship that you could build out of the various subassemblies in the very final stage, then it would be the Tamiya PoW/KGV kits due to their clearly separated, boxy structures. No way trying this on the Repulse, but looking back at the PoW actually both ways seem feasible here

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 04:29 PM UTC
Thanks Jan... here they are in full technicolor...

19th Jan, 2015 update

After having shot a coat of AP507A onto the 'deck' areas (of which I have been very remiss and not taken a photo) I have finally finished masking it all off!

The 'purple' areas you can see are where I used liquid maskol to fill in the centres as this is much quicker than cutting endless pieces of masking tape.

then a coat of AP507B



then the masking off







the big guns...


and dry fitting








and an overall view


now i have the eternal dilemma that we all must face-do i go ahead and fasten objects to the hull, and then clear coat the whole ship, knowing that there will be areas that i cannot hope to reach with the clear coat...

or...

do I assemble each sub assembly, clear coat separately, and hope that i don't destroy railings etc when i go to mount them to the ship? The benefit being that I will be able to access all the areas of the ship with the clear coat

Thanks for looking
Russ
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Posted: Monday, January 12, 2015 - 10:35 AM UTC
Happy new year to you, Russ

and great to see that your workers returned as well I think some extended leave is good for moral at the yard. It seems my workers were quite happy and relaxed and happy to get over all the wine and food of the recent weeks

Looking forward to your update 'in color' mate!!

Jan
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Posted: Monday, January 12, 2015 - 01:17 AM UTC
Happy New Year Everyone!

I hope you all had a safe and enjoyable festive season, a spiritually fulfilling Christmas & hopefully the man in the red suit was kind enough to leave something styrene under your tree-perhaps even of the salty persuasion

Sean. Sorry I missed your Christmas wishes mate!

Now for a picture free update on the dockyard situation: after a marathon masking session the components are now all but ready for applying the AP507B!

This will signify a major step forward as shipping of the superstructure can then commence!!!

I'll post pictures in a few days time, once the dockyard is back in full swing!!!

Russ