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Poland 1939
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 10:30 PM UTC
I've found THE GREAT LEXICON OF POLISH WEAPONS OF 1939. VOL. 62: OBSERVATION & BARRAGE BALLOONS (http://www.biblio.com/book/great-lexicon-polish-weapons-of1939-vol/d/823858408) for reference so I'll need to use my Polish to English dictionary heavily. If anyone has other recommendations for research material I would be very interested in hearing them!
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 11:37 PM UTC
Andrew - this certainly sounds like an ambitious and worthwhile effort on your part. I view learning about the history surrounding our models as essential to the process. Without the historical context the objects we model have no meaning or power. If there a kit of these balloons or will you be scratching them?

There are other books in the series you cited. Perhaps they might be helpful to others in this campaign?
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 11:51 PM UTC
I don't know how the R-35s were painted. All I've found so far are textual references. Both France and Poland were early implementers of multi-colored camouflage schemes, with most examples I've seen pictured being hard camo for France and a transition from hard camo to soft camo on Polish vehicles during the late 1930s. The tans, greens and red browns used by both nations look similar to my untrained eye.
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 11:57 PM UTC
Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia concerning Polish use of R35s:

In 1938 the Polish Army bought two R35 tanks for testing. After a series of tests it was found that the design was completely unreliable and the Poles decided to buy the French SOMUA S35 tanks instead, a proposal that was later refused by the French government. However, as the threat of war became apparent and the production rate of the new Polish 7TP tank was insufficient, in April 1939 it was decided to buy a hundred R 35 tanks as an emergency measure. The first fifty (other sources lower the number to 49) arrived in Poland in July 1939, along with three Hotchkiss H35 tanks bought for testing. Most were put into service with the Łuck-based 12th Armoured Battalion. During the Invasion of Poland 45 tanks formed the core of the newly created 21st Light Tank Battalion that was part of the general reserve of the Commander in Chief. The unit was to defend the Romanian Bridgehead, but was divided after the Soviet invasion of Poland of 17 September. Thirty-four tanks were withdrawn to Romania, while the remaining tanks were pressed into service with the improvised Dubno Operational Group and took part in the battles of Krasne and Kamionka Strumiłowa. Six tanks were also attached to the 10th Motorized Cavalry Brigade. The second shipment of R35 did not reach Poland prior to the outbreak of World War II and was redirected to Syria in October.
Hope this helps.
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2016 - 01:07 AM UTC
Thanks for that, it also seems to open up the use of the Hotchkiss light tank as well. The Soviets used T-26s, T-28s, T-35s & the BT fast tanks and probably some others. I also see armored railroad cars being used. Lots of room for modeling subjects here.
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2016 - 01:24 AM UTC
I have been playing around with some designs for a Poland 1939 Campaign ribbon. Here are two ideas:



I think the first one looks stronger in the small size. Ideas? Opinions?
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2016 - 01:44 AM UTC
I agree, I think the 1st "1939" says it all!
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Posted: Saturday, September 03, 2016 - 06:20 PM UTC
My vote goes to #1 as well.
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Posted: Saturday, September 03, 2016 - 09:58 PM UTC
Check info and enlist: HERE

START DATE: December 1st, 2016
ENDS: July 1st, 2017

Have fun !!
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 12:03 AM UTC
Thanks John, we're official! Follow the link above to enlist!

Any other ideas for a ribbon? We still have some time to consider other options . . .
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 02:17 AM UTC
What's the best 7TP available now in 1:35 - the Mirage one? - assuming I can find it in the UK.
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 03:50 AM UTC
The first ribbon will be better in my opinion.
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 04:06 AM UTC

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What's the best 7TP available now in 1:35 - the Mirage one? - assuming I can find it in the UK.


The best can't possibly be the Mirage (see my posts at http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=240997&ord=&page=7)....
There HAS to better out there, somewhere...;-)
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 11:02 AM UTC

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The first ribbon will be better in my opinion.



I do not know of any others. There is a PE fret available and a metal barrel. I'm going to try fitting a set of Fruil tracks made for the Soviet T-26 another tank derived from the Vickers 6 ton.

Didn't Hobby Boss recently release a Vickers? Possibly that kit might contribute more bits to replace the Mirage parts.
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 11:34 AM UTC
I just looked through Squadron's listings for Hobby Boss, Trumpeter , ICM and Takom without finding the Vickers 6 Ton. HB does have a Vickers Medium Tank but it looks to be a very different animal. Sit, I do seem to recall somebody had one out in the recent past . . .
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 12:25 PM UTC
Concerning the 7TP kits the Polish company Spojna originally put out kits of the 7TP series tanks. Mirage acquired the molds after they went out of business so there is no difference in the kits that I am aware of. Spojna and Mirage are the only kits 've found so far.
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 12:33 PM UTC
Hello all,
I'm happy to see that this campaign will start! I'm in, and my vote is for the first ribbon.
Cheers,
Zsolt
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Posted: Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 10:57 PM UTC

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What's the best 7TP available now in 1:35 - the Mirage one? - assuming I can find it in the UK.


The best can't possibly be the Mirage (see my posts at http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=240997&ord=&page=7)....
There HAS to better out there, somewhere...;-)



Thanks for the heads up! Scalemates lists a new kit from Combat Armour Models but no other info. I'll report back if I find one!
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:55 AM UTC
As I am in the midst of building a Mirage 7TP for the DOG campaign I have found I no longer want to re-visit this with the Mirage T-26 ;-)....so mark me down with a Panzer IB....
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2016 - 09:55 PM UTC
Welcome everyone to the Poland 1939 Campaign. We are now official and as of this morning, have the required 10 enlistees so we should be good to go once the December 1st start date rolls around.
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2016 - 11:05 PM UTC

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As I am in the midst of building a Mirage 7TP for the DOG campaign I have found I no longer want to re-visit this with the Mirage T-26 ;-)....so mark me down with a Panzer IB....



Fair enough on the 7TP. I have yet to delve into mine but hope to learn from your build. The Panzer 1B sounds like a good build also. Did you have a kit in mind?

If you still yearn to build a T-26, consider the Hobby Boss kits. While I haven't built one yet, I do have several different versions somewhere in the heap. They look good in the box . . .

BTW, even though you only get one ribbon awarded at the end, there is nothing to stop you from building more than one kit for our Poland 1939 campaign . . .
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2016 - 11:06 PM UTC

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Thanks for the heads up! Scalemates lists a new kit from Combat Armour Models but no other info. I'll report back if I find one!



Please do let us know what you find out. I'll bet many of us would be happy to hear of a better kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 12:07 AM UTC

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As I am in the midst of building a Mirage 7TP for the DOG campaign I have found I no longer want to re-visit this with the Mirage T-26 ;-)....so mark me down with a Panzer IB....



Fair enough on the 7TP. I have yet to delve into mine but hope to learn from your build. The Panzer 1B sounds like a good build also. Did you have a kit in mind?

If you still yearn to build a T-26, consider the Hobby Boss kits. While I haven't built one yet, I do have several different versions somewhere in the heap. They look good in the box . . .

BTW, even though you only get one ribbon awarded at the end, there is nothing to stop you from building more than one kit for our Poland 1939 campaign . . .


Good point, Lord knows I have plenty of time on my hands! ;-) I have an older Italeri Panzer I, was thinking of using that...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 12:27 AM UTC

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Do you know how they were painted and marked in Polish service?


They were left in original French camo. Because were delivered from French army stocks they had various camos - erlier multicolored with black lines and newer 2 colors green/brown:
Here we have some photos of Polish R-35:
http://makettinfo.hu/upload/201405/1534969_71875_lengyel5.jpg
http://www.alternativefinland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Renault-r35-03.jpg
http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum25/r35_copy.jpg
https://forum.ioh.pl/graficzki2/1230412533_c_50947.jpg
http://forum.ioh.pl/graficzki2/1230412498_b__50947.jpg
http://forum.ioh.pl/graficzki2/1230412586_e_51004.jpg

HTH
Marek
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Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 01:47 AM UTC
Thanks Marek, those pics will be very helpful in case anyone has a notion to build an R-35 in Polish service. I know Hobby Boss makes a kit and Fruil makes tracks so this should be an attractive build.