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M21 Mortar Motor Carriage (advice needed)
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 11:18 AM GMT+7

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... Google 'Tiger chewing tobacco tins'. ...


I added the key word "pocket" to my search, which led me to lots more of the smaller portable tins. I really like the variety of colors — should provide some interesting contrast to the OD. Thanks again!

Haaawk ... pe-tuiey! 🤣
—mike
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 10:54 AM GMT+7
Chewing tobacco is different to smoking tobacco. It comes in a slab which was usually wax paper wrapped at the time. The tins were counter top containers used in stores, holding several slabs and you bought them singularly, hence they were tall containers so you could slide the slab upward. Often the manufacturer supplied bags to put the product in, and that was their advertising.

No reason a whole tin could not be purchased and sent to your 'loved one' though.

Google 'Tiger chewing tobacco tins'. That is one of the oldest brands from the USA and you will get many hits - I believe the holding company still makes cigarettes. Another was Red Man which started in 1904.

The flat round tins were more often used for shredded tobacco, known more readily as 'snuff'.

Oh apart from being a wealth of knowledge on old stuff, my M-I-L is a smoker, not a chewer....so you can let the image go.....
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 10:04 AM GMT+7
@ Cheyanne and Lou, Thanks for the nice comments!

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Don't forget to add a spittoon!

Nice comfortable layout Mike, looks more natural 'for chaw'

Only thing is, my Mother in law used to be an antique dealer and the old round chewing tobacco tins she had were quite tall, not flat. The flat ones were rectangular.


@ Peter, Thanks! ... The world is Sarge's spittoon.🤨 💦 Lol! ... And thank your Mother in law for keeping me TC (tobacco correct). And now you've given me this vision of her huckin' into a spittoon that I just can't shake! ... 🤭 🤫 Don't tell her! Lol!

After a closer look on the web, now I'm seeing these tall rectangular tins that I kinda' like 🤔 — maybe something like this? ...

Disclaimer: I am ignorant ... therefore I post.🤯

Cheers!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 09:30 AM GMT+7
Looks good , keep us posted
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 09:02 AM GMT+7
Don't forget to add a spittoon!

Nice comfortable layout Mike, looks more natural 'for chaw'

Only thing is, my Mother in law used to be an antique dealer and the old round chewing tobacco tins she had were quite tall, not flat. The flat ones were rectangular.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 10:50 PM GMT+7
Nice work Mike , very believable poses , looks great !!!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 - 04:20 PM GMT+7
A scenario change for the standing figure manning the "fifty." ... Sorry Peter, no "Towelie." The figure has been almost completely reworked from before (see page 2), i.e., arms, legs, a different Hornet Head (chewing), two hands, and the figure has been moved forward of the gun pedestal. Now his left hand is grasping the "fifty's" barrel, and his right arm is outstretched with a friendly offering for the new guy.

“So, you don’t smoke, eh kid? … How ‘bout a chaw?”


In addition, the seated figure has a scratch-built helmet liner made from Evergreen Styrene. Chin-straps will be added later.



Dry-fitting the standing figure's stance (left hand-to-gun-to-right arm over bar) was very trying to say the least! Now, if all goes well, the gun-barrel should slide right into place after final painting.

Figures have been primed with Vallejo Grey Primer (73.601).

Hope you like it so far!

Cheers!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 01:20 PM GMT+7
@ Ken, Thanks! This summer was a rough one — ghastly heat, so a sanity break was mandatory. Now with man-cave temperatures beginning to cooperate, it’s great to get back to model building when I can.

@ Paul, Thank you for the kind words!

@ Peter, A Towelie! — Brilliant idea! Thanks! … "If I was on the 50, what would I be doing while the M21 was idling?" 🤔 … That’s it! I’ve been racking my brain over getting a believable position outa that guy from the very beginning — styrene limbs and shavings scattered about the workbench like spent casings, and sweating the thought of over-handling the M21 while dry-fitting. On the other hand, the seated guy fit like a glove. 🥊

In the meantime, it’s "Exit stage right" to the ’JEEPS!’ Campaign in order to work on the companion vehicle.

Cheers!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:26 AM GMT+7
Nice simple figure layout Mike. Have you thought about a cloth in the .50 cal figures hand like he is cleaning the gun?
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 - 07:01 PM GMT+7
That's looking really good.
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 - 09:33 AM GMT+7
Way to go Mike. The men will add a lot. Sometimes a little break is needed......
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 - 08:20 AM GMT+7
Gentlemen,

As a result of all the help provided here, I've been slowly breathing a little life into this project.

The DML (6362) M21 Mortar Motor Carriage was built for the 'Half a Year for a Half Track' Campaign.


Two figures from MiniArt (35047) US Jeep Crew + Hornet Heads and one hand.



Cheers!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2017 - 02:08 PM GMT+7
Hey Stephen,
I meant to thank you for the advice. Much appreciated!

Cheers!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 06:30 PM GMT+7
Second armored had 41st Armored Infantry, and 66 and 67 tank battalions. The M21 was used in mortar platoon in the headquarters company of the armored infantry or armor battalions.

There is a possibility that a platoon or mortars was in the reconnaissance battalion which was the 82 recon.

There's one of two ways depending on practices. Using 2^66^ Or 67^ or 41AI, or even 82R as the unit with HHC or HQ - 15 as the vehicle number. Fifteenth vehicle of headquarters company.

Or it could be 2^66^-X, MTR-15. That's one way of saying headquarters, 66 Armor battalion, mortar platoon 15.

World War 2 bumper codes weren't always cut and dried as they became postwar.

So that would be 2 triangle, either 66 or 67 triangle or 41AI or 82R, dash X. On the other bumper MTR dash 15.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 04:29 PM GMT+7

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The USA number in the instructions is 4013870. A six digit code would have been an early war M2.

And bumper Codes? Find a World War 2 listing of units in the 2nd AD. What units would have had a mortar halftrack? (Armored infantry battalion headquarters?)

Or just leave the bumpers blank for front line operational security.


Stephen, You're right.
I made a typo on that instruction serial number. I missed typing that last 'zero' trying to find out if it was an 'O' when my computer started acting all weird.

At his point, I don't even know if I can handle those tiny numbers floating around in 'MicroSet Solution' anyway (vision impaired 🔍). However, from an artistic standpoint, it might be nice to include something there for contrast.

Thanks again!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 04:03 PM GMT+7
The USA number in the instructions is 4013870. A six digit code would have been an early war M2.

And bumper Codes? Find a World War 2 listing of units in the 2nd AD. What units would have had a mortar halftrack? (Armored infantry battalion headquarters?)

Or just leave the bumpers blank for front line operational security.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 - 03:13 PM GMT+7
Hello again,
Another query to the esteemed knowledgeable ones. 📚

It’s decal time and I’ve saved the hardest ones for last — Ho boy! DML supplies the dreaded individual alpha-numerics, triangles, etc. decal sheet for serial numbers on the hood sides and maybe bumper codes too (unsure). So how does one avoid messing up the unit info., etc.? The box art suggests one thing and the instructions another (see below) and nothing about bumper codes front or rear.

Box art: U.S.A. 40141702
Instruction sheet: U.S.A. 401387

My instinct is to go with the latter, but I’m still clueless about the bumper codes. 🤔

TIA, 🍺
—mike
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Posted: Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 12:18 PM GMT+7
Hi Bob,
Thanks for the very generous offer! I’ve already got some of the figure sets as suggested above in my stash with more to arrive next week. However, you never know what I might need. Can you be more specific about the Tamiya figures you’ve mentioned? A kit number or a photo would help. Just in case you’d like to avoid the grind of uploading images, I’ve PMed you my e-mail address.

🔎 Currently, my focus is on finishing the M21 Mortar Motor Carriage, as I’ve enlisted in the “Half a Year for a Half Track” campaign. With a deadline of June 30, 2017 rapidly approaching, figure construction/mods are in a holding pattern until after I've completed my entry.

Thanks to all for your input!🍺
—mike
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Posted: Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 09:11 AM GMT+7
Hey Mike, I have some older Tamiya figures in heavy coats. If you want to have them just p.m. me with your add. and you can have them for nothing. Might help for action or hanging about.
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Posted: Saturday, June 03, 2017 - 04:44 AM GMT+7
Thanks guys!
I'll make sure the troops don't go hungry! 📦📦📦📦📦

Bon appetite! 🍉
—mike
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 11:02 PM GMT+7
Yes buddy,those ration boxes were the usual food issued to Lahdy Dahdy and everybody no matter what the rank or job. Stack'em in there man.
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 01:10 PM GMT+7
The answer to which rations box is "yes"

The earlier boxes were still in the supply pipeline in late 1944. If doing Korea I would say "maybe not" to the earlier boxes. In Korea stuff was supposedly finally showing up that had been in warehouses since 1942.

But 1944? No problem.
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 12:41 PM GMT+7
Mark and Jack,
Thanks, I've been getting the figures sorted out. ... Oh yeah, resting.

My most recent query was regarding the 'Legend' ration boxes for stowage possibilities (see June 01, 2017 post above).

—mike
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 12:00 PM GMT+7
If you're going with the Jan-45, Ardennes idea, then I'd look for GI's wearing heavier clothing. Don't know the kit#, but Dragon had a set of 8 figs at the Remagen bridgehead, and IIRC there was a good mix of jackets, coats and poses.
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Posted: Friday, June 02, 2017 - 11:02 AM GMT+7
What do you want the figures to be doing?
Should they be resting or in action?