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Dassault Mirage III/5BA Heller 1/72
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 07:03 AM GMT+7
Thomas,
I'm just lovin' your shading and fading paint technique. Now that's thinking out of the box and it not only works, it looks great.

I'm a firm believer in a varied, non-pattern form of pre-shading where the end result that shows through the color coats looks random but realistic due whatever external factors would come into play. And you've achieved that.

As you've seen, many light coats works so much better then a few heavier coats.

Looking forward to your top color coats.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 05:59 AM GMT+7
Hi there!

A little more progress on the paint side.
Started with the underside and while cleaning it up I decided to leave some color as preshade residues.
Roughly covered up the wells that will be done later on to avoid too much color overlay on the tiny details inside.
Since I'll go for the 5BA most of the pics (depending on the exposure) showing a range from very light gray to nearly white.
My first a/b shots look too greyish to me, so I went for more lightening up with 1:1 diluted white coats (Revell acrylics - running quite smooth). After all it turns out ok to me.














Thanks for interest, Thomas
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 05:59 AM GMT+7

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Thomas,
The primer coat really helps to tie it all together. Those wells really do look good.

Joel



Thanks a lot, Joel!
And indeed a quick primer session on scratched parts is very helpful for a better overview although you can't really correct or add/remove something in that scale.
Thomas
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Posted: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 - 05:38 AM GMT+7
Thomas,
The primer coat really helps to tie it all together. Those wells really do look good.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, January 08, 2018 - 06:19 AM GMT+7
Joel, maybe some details are out of of scale and not matching the real a/c but I'm quite happy about the outcome.

Before moving on I gave all wheel bays a quick (with one of my cheaper tools - so it's a bit sparkling) a/b-shots with black primer/flat white acrylic to see how the depth aspect works.









Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 02:31 PM GMT+7
Thomas,
That's really amazing detail even before one considers that fact that this is 1/72 scale.
Joel
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 07:04 AM GMT+7
Paul, thank you for stopping by and your kind words!

While the process I sometimes wonder myself why the f*** I'm doing this in that scale - maybe practising the hard way first makes it easier for the coming builds in bigger scale.
You should definetely try out sprues on your Dakota for detailing although your scratch skills are already great.

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 04:18 AM GMT+7
HI Thomas, sorry I've missed your topic up to now but I see that you've been doing some excellent scratch stuff in a tiny scale !

Stretching sprue is a technique I've never more than dabbled in but I'm considering using it more to get a better variety of thickness for tube and circle shapes.

Still amazed that this isn't 48th !
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 03:44 AM GMT+7
Ladies n' Gents, here's a new update.

Took me really more time that I ever wanted. But finally I did the wheel wells as much as I can do (or as I wanted ).
Let's see how it looks after the first color coat ...


With the nose cone on, the intakes and the flaps glued in lowered position it is quite coming to shape. Nose needed some afterwork and putty (as most of the parts and joints) and the intakes still need sanding the seams.

Okay, the current state:






































Thanks for looking & have a good day

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 03:42 AM GMT+7
Joel, thanks a lot for your response!

Still not made a decision about the belts, so let's see.
I already recognized Steve Andrews' build and what he greatly did. Anyway thank you for the hints and tips and I hope you stay tuned although it's truly not your scale.

Thomas
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 07:55 AM GMT+7

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Joel,
thank you very much indeed for your more than friendly comment!
It means a lot to me and turned out like a birthday present as it was exactly that day.

I can hardly imagine, that a skilled modeler like you can still be impressed by anything made of styrene.
On the other hand, it tells me that I’m not too bad in doing this extra work what I’ve never done before.
Since I have little time for modelling I almost use my recent builds for practice new techniques as well instead of trying out on any “trash-kit” aside. So it will keep my concentration high, otherwise all previous efforts will suffer.
For the belts: … mmmh, if I had AM belts I would use them – but do not have
The seat’s harness (what I saw in pics) is quite complex, so I think I can’t do it myself in a good scale manner.
Not sure if AM parts will be worth or give an extra upgrade to that old Heller kit.

Thomas



Thomas,
A happy belated birthday well wishes.

Thank you for that complement, but my modeling skills are nothing but average at best. the key to my modeling is to try and get to as near perfect with the basics as I can. That usually will cover up any goofs, admissions, or general screw ups, of which I'm no stranger to.

As far as seatbelts and Harnesses go. I've made them out of masking tape that I tape two pieces together so that it's sticky side to sticky side. I do make each section some what longer, so that I can bent and shape them for added interest. A drop of CCA or White glue will hold them firmly in place. Most jets used a 6 point built system with what looks like additional securing straps here and there. Use thinner pieces of tape for the pull straps, and you're ready to go. As for buckles and latches, some silver paint or very thing aluminum wire like .2mm or so will do nicely.

Steve Andrews did a video on how he makes belts out of Aluminum foil. Great video and a great technique. I'm going to give it a try on my next build.

Joel

The whole concept is to fool the viewers eye.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 07:35 AM GMT+7
Joel,
thank you very much indeed for your more than friendly comment!
It means a lot to me and turned out like a birthday present as it was exactly that day.

I can hardly imagine, that a skilled modeler like you can still be impressed by anything made of styrene.
On the other hand, it tells me that I’m not too bad in doing this extra work what I’ve never done before.
Since I have little time for modelling I almost use my recent builds for practice new techniques as well instead of trying out on any “trash-kit” aside. So it will keep my concentration high, otherwise all previous efforts will suffer.
For the belts: … mmmh, if I had AM belts I would use them – but do not have
The seat’s harness (what I saw in pics) is quite complex, so I think I can’t do it myself in a good scale manner.
Not sure if AM parts will be worth or give an extra upgrade to that old Heller kit.

Thomas
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 03:57 AM GMT+7
Thomas,
Just got a chance to read through your entire build, and to say that I'm impressed is putting it rather mildly. The amount of added detail to ah 1/72 scale kit is more then I thought possible. Your cockpit and seat really has kicked it up a few notches. just one question. You mentioned that you're not going to be making seatbelts and harnesses. Will you be using AM ones instead?

I'm also just as impressed with the level of detail added to the front and main wheel wells.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 06:47 AM GMT+7
Hi all! Thanks for peeking!
Sorry for a progress-delay - but life, you know.

Magnus: Thank you very much for your post and the link. That is awesome work and far from my abilities. Great work on a unique vehicle - really love that.

Had some bench time to mange the seams and gaps. Sanding, filling, rescribing etc...
I filled the bigger gap on the underside with a piece of sprue , than sanded and a bit of filler at the joints. For gaps without tension "Perfect Plastic Putty" works best for me.
So slowly it comes to shape.

Added also some more small stuff to the wheel wells. Still few to go.










Cheers, Thomas
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 08:19 AM GMT+7
Thomas! A few years ago, a friend of mine who is a very good modeller showed some of his tricks during a one-hour session at a modelling competition. Apart from commercially available photo-etch he mostly uses styrene for detailing. His ideas was that it is cheap, easy to carv and sculpt and easy to glue (something that metal of any kind is NOT!). And if you happen to break it during handling it is very easy to fix! So, you can't go wrong with the sprue and your work sure looks good!

Here's a link to one of his builds. It doesn't fly very well but it is both Swedish and interesting ! Note that it is actually nearly all-plastic!



Magnus
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 07:54 AM GMT+7
Hi guys! Here's just a quick stop over.

Thanks Oliver and alves for your support!

Please all of you keep in mind, that this build is more a practising object. The age of this kit is always present but I try out what is manageable and easy for me with the given parts and decided not to use copper wire or similar and handling with CA.
Even the most of the tiny stretched sprue I used so far are from the kit's sprues. Depending on it abilities. I think, best to glue together is the always the original kit's styrene. On the other hand, there's much difference comparing other company's styrene when it comes to forming, stretching or bending. So a lot of trial and error while assembling (and lots of "snip-of-the-tweezer" for a hungry carpet monster
)

Okay, back.
Wings are on, fitting is not too bad but gaps to be managed on the wing roots and fuselage connection on the underside..

Started also with some add-ons at the wheel wells..









appreciate your stopping by,

Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 01:00 PM GMT+7
It is inspiring to follow this assembling process.
Congratulations!
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 12:33 PM GMT+7

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Don't want to rescribe all the raised panel lines as it would be a disaster - so I just choose the longer ones and the ones that needed a touch up.



Hallo Thomas,

this is really an interesting aspect, to rescribe only a part of the panel lines. I never thought of this before, but it could work very well. Inspiring!

Oliver
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 05:51 AM GMT+7
Hello mates!
Thanks for still following

Here's just a small update. Before moving on with the wheel wells (won't do too much there) I had to check the Delta Wing connections and the fuselage since it will be the base of the wells.
While dry fitting I already recognized the gaps and steps
but after glueing, sanding and a bit of filler I'm o.k. with it.
Don't want to rescribe all the raised panel lines as it would be a disaster - so I just choose the longer ones and the ones that needed a touch up.

Finally a dry fit just snapped together - Wings/fuselage joints need later attention.










Thanks for looking,
Thomas
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 02:54 AM GMT+7

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Thomas! It's your lucky day today: the tanks seem to have been either dark green only or dark green with white on the lower surfaces (or a very light grey). Check your messages!



Magnus



Great! Very much appreciated - thanks again for that, Magnus!

Th mas
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 02:16 AM GMT+7
Thomas! It's your lucky day today: the tanks seem to have been either dark green only or dark green with white on the lower surfaces (or a very light grey). Check your messages!



Magnus
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 01:43 AM GMT+7
Hi there!
Well, actual I took a close look and try to enhance the plain wheel wells...
Still matching tiny parts , yet not much of any progress to show.


Thanks a lot Magnus, for the response!
Really no matter how long it takes as I know we all have our real life and I'm mainly busy too.
Very glad, you found a way to pass by and pushing me foreward. As for the tanks, I apologize my misleading term - and yes, thats what I would prefer. The Infos about the used sizes is very useful. Does it need different paint/camo?


Thank you Chris, for stopping by!
Those kits are far from modern standard but not bad at all. Good luck with your builds - showing a log here on Aeroscale would be fun...

Regards
Thomas
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 11:59 PM GMT+7
Looks great mate, I also will follow your build as I am soon going retro and building the OLD Heller Ourougan and SAAB Tunnan.
nice work in the cockpit
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 09:41 PM GMT+7
Thomas! Sorry for my tardiness in answering, I've had a quite busy week !

With pylons, do you mean the pylons or the tanks? If you're thinking about the tanks, both the 500 litre supersonic ones and the huge 1700 litre tanks were used on the BAs in Belgian service. The supersonic ones looks a lot better !

When it comes to the camo, a Mirage is the perfect object to practice on: a delta has very little stuff that can be broken off and is a lot easier to mask than a WWII fighter for instance where there is lots of stuff sticking out! And the Mirage is a real looker in that camo!

Keep up the good work!




Magnus
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 07:24 AM GMT+7
Thomas, you're doing great, mate!
In art they call it horror vacui - fear if empty spaces.
I keep following this build with maximum interest.

Gabriel