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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2019 - 02:06 AM UTC
Adding brake detail to the trucks of my Plattformwagen as we speak based on your reference. However I am going to stop WAY short of the level of detail you have achieved here.

As always, watching with great interest!
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2019 - 02:46 AM UTC
For the moment I'm in a overload of emotions, will see my sister tomorrow after 4 years. Took the week off as from today and after picking her up we are going to enjoy some Thailand sight seeing.
Not much modeling done this weekend, loads of business to finish before having a nice break of work, to get a free e-mail week.
See you all next week.

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Robert Jan
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2019 - 02:57 AM UTC
But forgot about the rumor. I my e-mail contact with Jana from LZ, she told me the LZ SSyl is no longer in production anymore. Surprise... Thunder Model will come with a SSyl Platform Wagon later this year. To make this story any sense.
I asked for replacement, because they could not deliver the resin SSyl. We agreed on sending a G-10 covered wagon. Expecting the LZ offering, but it turned out to be the Thunder Model. Which is awesome in detail(same same). I guess LZ did some good business in the East.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 07:38 PM UTC
This question is off topic, I admit that but right now this thread may be the best place for it.

Just how similar (or how different) are British railway goods cars (boxcars) from the German cars? Some seem very similar in general appearance to the German cars but that may just be my lack of experience with either type. Below is the only reference photo I have where I can be sure I am looking at a war era British boxcar and this one has serious bomb damage.

Would it be possible to modify a German car to represent a British one?

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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 09:02 PM UTC
Hi Michael. British railway designs are a total different world. They don't have much in common when it comes box cars. I will look for some examples to show.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 09:10 PM UTC
Rather different...
http://www.igg.org.uk/rail/4-rstock/04arstock5.htm
Comparing German rolling stock...
http://www.twenot-forums.nl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34312

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_railway_wagon_classes

Hope this helps.

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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 02:43 AM UTC
Ah well - hopes dashed for much similarity.

It appears that wheels, leaf springs and journals MIGHT be salvageable but all else would need scratch building! (In 1/35)

Thank you Robert
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 03:14 AM UTC

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Below is the only reference photo I have where I can be sure I am looking at a war era British boxcar and this one has serious bomb damage.




Are you sure it's a British boxcar ? I believe the picture has been taken in Italy (that would explain the captured Italian-looking staff car in the background )



Fiat 508CM Coloniale (yes, it's a right-hand drive car...) :



Here's another (or the same ?) CCKW in Italy (you can notice some Italian soldiers) :


The 39TH Engineer Battalion participated to the most of the Italian campaign (Sicily,Naples-Foggia, Anzio, Rome-Arno, North Apennines,Po Valley...)

Sorry for the digression Robert Jan


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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 04:52 AM UTC

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Robert Jan,
This is a fine blog of yours. I am not sure why I had not spotted it earlier.


What Blaubar said! Great work! Fred
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 07:09 AM UTC
Excellent info!

I was under the false assumption these converted CCKW "locomotives" were only used in England prior to D-Day exclusively.

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So new question:

How different were Italian RR cars from the German cars and/or would German cars interchange into Italy while supplying the Italian Axis Theater of Operations?

In other words: Would it be realistic to show a German boxcar in conjunction with this Allied vehicle????

That would be a great excuse to buy the new Thunder offering!
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 08:05 AM UTC
Here's an example of Italian boxcar (they were built with or without a brakeman's cabin) :

"Tipo 1925 F" boxcar :





http://www.museoferroviariopiemontese.it/carro-chiuso-per-merci-a-collettame-tipo-1925-f-1013022/

Talking about the possibility of finding a German G10 boxcar in Italy, just take a look at this review of a N scale model (the last paragraph should interest you )

https://www.dm-toys.de/blogartikel/items/g10-von-brawa.html


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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 11:18 AM UTC
GREAT NEWS!

So the car itself is OK in just about any/all European countries but some research and custom decals will be necessary to represent a particular country. (I will add, I am surprised that Britain did not seem to take a quantity of these cars as reparation after the Great War as did other countries.)

Thank you for allowing me to momentarily divert the discussion Robert.
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Posted: Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 12:31 PM UTC
I very much like it the way it goes in this topic. Building a realistic diorama it would for sure make sense having rolling stock from different countries at the scene. Those Italian box cars are really nice with their typical roofs. Also French box cars have a European look and were used by the Germans. International trains were already a mix of different coaches from different countries in the 1920 / 1930.
The UK did not capture the rolling stock from the German after 1945, because it did not suit within their system. Length and height of the box cars and of course braking systems. Totally different and very old fashioned by that time comparing to the German and rest of Europe.

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Robert Jan
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Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2019 - 03:09 AM UTC
Have you seen these items?
http://www.sabremodel.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=20
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Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2019 - 03:21 AM UTC
My gosh, the detail work Sabre has done on the frame of that SSyms 6-axle flatcar is nothing short of amazing.

I have already built the Dragon 4-axle model but I may have to purchase the Sabre 6-axle just to enjoy all the detail there that was sadly missing from the Dragon offering.
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Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2019 - 10:20 PM UTC
Thanks H.P. for this review link to G 10 wagons.
"Talking about the possibility of finding a German G10 boxcar in Italy, just take a look at this review of a N scale model (the last paragraph should interest you )"
I'm always looking for brass modelers doing full detail builds in big scales like I which is 1/32 scale. I bookmarked the site for some investigations.
This is what you get from Thunder Models. Most accurate 1/35 scale G 10.
http://www.thundermodel.com/German-Gedeckter-Guterwagen.html

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Robert Jan
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Posted: Sunday, January 27, 2019 - 10:52 PM UTC
Hello Tom.
Seen the presentation this morning. Looks very similar to the T-Model offering. Some different PE added though. Will see what it is, kits are on their way to my doorstep.
Sabre Models still only announce, no pricing yet on their site. Minus, in my humble opinion, is the lack of detail under the floor of their rolling stock. So I'm waiting for Thunder Models to release their Platform Wagon type SSyl. I have high hopes for that one. I have the G 10 from Thunder in my stash and the detail is amazing. PE supplied with the kit is from LZ (correct me if I'm wrong) and research for accuracy of the model too.
Is it the old resin from LZ? I think so.
But a big plus for Sabre Models is that they offer metal wheels for their SSys, they look 100% better than the plastic ones.

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Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2019 - 03:32 AM UTC
For those who like to weather.. Check out this link... Michael, there are some very nice pictures of multiple Italian Boxcars in 1/32 scale. Good details and manufacturers are mentioned, nice to visit those sites. Stunning material!

https://becasse-weathering.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-06-13T06:30:00-07:00&max-results=10&start=130&by-date=false

From long time ago I remembered this, just stumbled in today as I'm looking for sources to get drawings for brake systems of the SSyms Schwerlastwagen.

Anyone knows a friend who owns a Märklin SSyms Spur 1 Wagen?

Going up North to Changmai for a short vacation, will be back soon.

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Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2019 - 01:38 AM UTC
My search for resources did have a giant step today. I found scale drawings that shows all the bits and pieces I want to add. also Track-Link website gave me a lot of links to handle the purchase of 2 SSyms that I received today.
2 T-Model 1/35 scale kits. Again, and what I expected, naked kits with ok measurements. From the parts lists from the drawings (will send a link soon) I can get a lot of detail with some eyeballing, which I can combine with some practice on the SSys done over the last year(s).

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Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2019 - 01:56 AM UTC
Just saw this thread, and in answer to earlier questions about German wagons on British tracks the problem is in the loading gauge. German (and most European) trains are 10ft wide, but British ones are only 8ft wide! Naturally this becomes evident as soon as the train tries to go through a tunnel...
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2019 - 07:18 AM UTC

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Just saw this thread, and in answer to earlier questions about German wagons on British tracks the problem is in the loading gauge. German (and most European) trains are 10ft wide, but British ones are only 8ft wide! Naturally this becomes evident as soon as the train tries to go through a tunnel...



Well that certainly explains why no German railway cars ended up in Britain after the Great War!
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 06:02 AM UTC
Brake rigging now added to Dragon trucks based on Speedy J's reference information:
(One truck complete and the other a WIP.)


I don't think I will go any further at this time, as to add in the brake actuating levers as I don't think they would be very visible on this car. (I wanted to construct a center beam for the truck but that would block the attachment of the truck pivot pin so that has not happened.)
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2019 - 06:24 AM UTC
Interesting article on the construction of the new Thunder Models G10 boxcar can be found at:

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=275183
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 03:08 AM UTC
Received mine two weeks ago, very interested in how he the did the piping and other details under the box. Good overall details, but brown livery, not very accurate for WWII reading the weathering. Most of them (all) were painted dark grey at beginning of war with an asphalt(paper) roofing.

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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 05:04 AM UTC
Robert, what you are calling Brown I would call Boxcar Red but I admit I had wondered about his choice of color versus German Gray.

I have reference photos of a real but very weathered car in the Boxcar Red color but that could be a post war repaint. Could this model represent a car from the inter war years? Perhaps the Germans painted them the boxcar red at that time and this one never got repainted during WWII.

I still have not seen any photos of the underside of the car but I find his rust and paint chipping to be nothing short of amazing!