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M752 LANCE Missile Launcher. Pt.2 the Build
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 04:10 PM GMT+7

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Deal... got a shipping notification today (I think...)



Mine are also hopefully winging their way here.
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 02:51 PM GMT+7
Deal... got a shipping notification today (I think...)
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 10:43 PM GMT+7

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My pleasure. Happy to throw pics of the resin bits when they arrive if anyone wants



Race you... to post pics of the PSM upgrades
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 05:45 AM GMT+7
My pleasure. Happy to throw pics of the resin bits when they arrive if anyone wants
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Posted: Friday, December 08, 2017 - 03:23 PM GMT+7

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Same here. A couple of weeks Id guess. The Eduard PE set just arrived today. Looks very nice. The engine deck screens and interior side panels look especially good.



Chris F, could you confirm if the drivers' compartment bits & placards are in colour/have text? If possible, post a pic?



No color for the PE and the placards are just the plain plates. My plan is to use the Archer 113 set again. Jon A thanks for posting the pic.
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Posted: Friday, December 08, 2017 - 07:04 AM GMT+7
https://imgur.com/gallery/Tz1iE

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Posted: Thursday, December 07, 2017 - 11:23 PM GMT+7

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Same here. A couple of weeks Id guess. The Eduard PE set just arrived today. Looks very nice. The engine deck screens and interior side panels look especially good.



Chris F, could you confirm if the drivers' compartment bits & placards are in colour/have text? If possible, post a pic?
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Posted: Thursday, December 07, 2017 - 11:54 AM GMT+7
Thanks to this thread I ordered the eduard set and the PSM update.

Was very tempted to build the crane-equipped reloader but decided against at the last moment!

Such a good boy I am.

Likely to be one of my first 2018 kits.
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Posted: Thursday, December 07, 2017 - 11:11 AM GMT+7

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Thank you for the update on the PSM updates. I have just purchased both the detail set and the reloader conversion. Now, to wait for them to arrive.



Same here. A couple of weeks Id guess. The Eduard PE set just arrived today. Looks very nice. The engine deck screens and interior side panels look especially good.
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Posted: Thursday, December 07, 2017 - 08:41 AM GMT+7

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Thank you for the update on the PSM updates. I have just purchased both the detail set and the reloader conversion. Now, to wait for them to arrive.



You and me both....

since my nickname is Glacier, (not because I'm cool, 'cos I'm so slow) i won't take bets on who starts or finishes ir first.
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Posted: Thursday, December 07, 2017 - 06:03 AM GMT+7
Thank you for the update on the PSM updates. I have just purchased both the detail set and the reloader conversion. Now, to wait for them to arrive.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 - 09:59 AM GMT+7

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FYI on the riveted roadwheels...the guide teeth on the track would wear them away causing the outer section of the roadwheel to go on its merry way.

Thankfully the M113 was easy to work on and you could slap on another roadwheel (if it was an outer one) with just a socket wrench.



Interesting info, i assumed the rivets were an early/late model thing, SFAIK the smooth wheels are not right for the UK vehicle, but I can live with that
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Posted: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 - 09:23 AM GMT+7
FYI on the riveted roadwheels...the guide teeth on the track would wear them away causing the outer section of the roadwheel to go on its merry way.

Thankfully the M113 was easy to work on and you could slap on another roadwheel (if it was an outer one) with just a socket wrench.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 - 08:18 AM GMT+7

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Also available from Perfect Scale Modellbau

M752 Lance "Basic Correction Kit" EUR 19.50
This includes... so much that is missing, Larger Fins, Larger Fin flight cases, Crutch & Cradle, American bumper code decals, the mysterious boxes on the launcher... but not visible, any drivers' compartment details.

This one is already top of my disposable income dispersal list.



Disposable Income dispersed, Ordered yesterday, let's see it takes to get to the UK.
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 06:31 PM GMT+7

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Completely missed the Eduard release. Will need to pick one up. Downloaded the instruction PDF and the set provides loads of small details and other nice enhancements.



Please feel free to add your opinion on the PE when you get it, either by starting your own thread and add a link to it to this page, or directly here, constructive & usefull info always welcome

Would like to know if the placards & signage is coloured/printed with text, otherwise they would be pointless?
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 10:11 AM GMT+7

The Eduard PC does cover Drivers' compartment, & engine grilles, carrier beam & cradle mount, as well as 100's of tiny PE bits.


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Completely missed the Eduard release. Will need to pick one up. Downloaded the instruction PDF and the set provides loads of small details and other nice enhancements.
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 08:12 AM GMT+7

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If we bought cars the same way we buy Dragon kits.
1. Buy a car.
2. Buy the update set containing proper wheels and a fuel tank.
3. Buy the drivers area update with pedals, steering wheel and the gear shift handle. Instrument faces are included in this set.
4. Buy the set with steerable front wheels. The clever car owner can build this with leftovers or spare parts from earlier cars.
5. Buy the set with the fiddly details like handles to open the windows and doors.
6. Buy the de-luxe set containing engine and opening bonnet/hood
7. Buy the external details set with updated hood ornament and other small bits
8. Since you didn't get around to driving your car the same year you bought it you might want to consider buying the upgrade set to modify your car to the latest version. Also includes the souped-up engine

/ Robin



What will be the base price for a car w/o updates? 5000 Euros?



Depends on which kind of basic car you want, the Skoda or the BMW
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 07:33 AM GMT+7

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I've been enjoying this build.

I have the Dragon Lance high in my stash-queue. I think its in the on deck circle at this point.

I don't have a specific desire to do anything other than a generic American Unit.

That said, I want to to look good.

It appears to me that both the Eduard set and the Perfect Scale Modellbau basic correction set would be necessary for a really detailed, "accurate" version. Think this is true?

Granted if my scratch building was as good as my stash-building, I could handle it myself...

And I have to say, I'd never even considered building the Loader-Transporter version, but it looks very cool with the second missile hanging on the crane! Tempting... Would probably STILL need the Eduard set for details though...




From the looks of it the Perfect Scale Modelbau is the way to go. Im ordering some of the correction sets and the LT. The correction set will save a lot of time.



Chris, you might still need to rob the exhaust from the Tamiya

I'm going to get the PSM ahem Basic Corrections, as it covers the major visual omissions.
The PSM sets don't appear to cover the drivers' compartment, or the engine comparment grilles.

The Eduard PC does cover Drivers' compartment, & engine grilles, carrier beam & cradle mount, as well as 100's of tiny PE bits.

My hands & eyes will pass on the PE, unless they consider a 'Zoom Basic Corrections' kit?

Another option for the Drivers Compartment is the ARCHER set for the M113, should fit the bill.

Carefull study of arkbuilder2012's build is illuminating
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 04:16 AM GMT+7

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I've been enjoying this build.

I have the Dragon Lance high in my stash-queue. I think its in the on deck circle at this point.

I don't have a specific desire to do anything other than a generic American Unit.

That said, I want to to look good.

It appears to me that both the Eduard set and the Perfect Scale Modellbau basic correction set would be necessary for a really detailed, "accurate" version. Think this is true?

Granted if my scratch building was as good as my stash-building, I could handle it myself...

And I have to say, I'd never even considered building the Loader-Transporter version, but it looks very cool with the second missile hanging on the crane! Tempting... Would probably STILL need the Eduard set for details though...




From the looks of it the Perfect Scale Modelbau is the way to go. Im ordering some of the correction sets and the LT. The correction set will save a lot of time.
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 04:13 AM GMT+7

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If we bought cars the same way we buy Dragon kits.
1. Buy a car.
2. Buy the update set containing proper wheels and a fuel tank.
3. Buy the drivers area update with pedals, steering wheel and the gear shift handle. Instrument faces are included in this set.
4. Buy the set with steerable front wheels. The clever car owner can build this with leftovers or spare parts from earlier cars.
5. Buy the set with the fiddly details like handles to open the windows and doors.
6. Buy the de-luxe set containing engine and opening bonnet/hood
7. Buy the external details set with updated hood ornament and other small bits
8. Since you didn't get around to driving your car the same year you bought it you might want to consider buying the upgrade set to modify your car to the latest version. Also includes the souped-up engine

/ Robin



What will be the base price for a car w/o updates? 5000 Euros?
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 03:18 AM GMT+7
I've been enjoying this build.

I have the Dragon Lance high in my stash-queue. I think its in the on deck circle at this point.

I don't have a specific desire to do anything other than a generic American Unit.

That said, I want to to look good.

It appears to me that both the Eduard set and the Perfect Scale Modellbau basic correction set would be necessary for a really detailed, "accurate" version. Think this is true?

Granted if my scratch building was as good as my stash-building, I could handle it myself...

And I have to say, I'd never even considered building the Loader-Transporter version, but it looks very cool with the second missile hanging on the crane! Tempting... Would probably STILL need the Eduard set for details though...

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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 02:59 AM GMT+7

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If we bought cars the same way we buy Dragon kits.



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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 02:26 AM GMT+7
If we bought cars the same way we buy Dragon kits.
1. Buy a car.
2. Buy the update set containing proper wheels and a fuel tank.
3. Buy the drivers area update with pedals, steering wheel and the gear shift handle. Instrument faces are included in this set.
4. Buy the set with steerable front wheels. The clever car owner can build this with leftovers or spare parts from earlier cars.
5. Buy the set with the fiddly details like handles to open the windows and doors.
6. Buy the de-luxe set containing engine and opening bonnet/hood
7. Buy the external details set with updated hood ornament and other small bits
8. Since you didn't get around to driving your car the same year you bought it you might want to consider buying the upgrade set to modify your car to the latest version. Also includes the souped-up engine

/ Robin
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 02:12 AM GMT+7
Well, work on this proceeds egregiously slowly,
Life, serious illness in the family & starting a p/t degree getting in the way of important stuff...

Hannants now have Eduard ED36371 in stock, with pics and the instructions as a downloadable PDF, though at the time of writing, NOT available or searchable on the EDUARD website.

This adds:
drivers' compartment details, instrument panel, throttle (?) quadrant, etc, & placards, but from the PDF, is doesn't show if the placards are in colour.
Also included, the engine grilles, and the crutch that the part I6 cradle should sit on, plus loads of the customary tiny PE details.
The obvious ratchet handles and locks for the fin flight cases are included, but not corrected fins, or correct sized boxes for them.

Priced at UKP32.50 from Hannants, or EUR 26.50 from some Polish sites.

If anything this shows up the Dragon Kits lack of obvious detail even more, but carefull study of the PE pic & PDF instructions will help you decide if this is needed for your build.

Also available from Perfect Scale Modellbau

M752 Lance "Basic Correction Kit" EUR 19.50
This includes... so much that is missing, Larger Fins, Larger Fin flight cases, Crutch & Cradle, American bumper code decals, the mysterious boxes on the launcher... but not visible, any drivers' compartment details.

This one is already top of my disposable income dispersal list.

M688 Lance LT (Loader-Transporter) EUR 48.50 A substantial conversion including an additional missile & crane.

M752 / M688 "Lance" Bundeswehr Version EUR 14.95, Bundeswehr spicific Lights & convoy marker.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 - 12:06 AM GMT+7
Quick update:

Holiday over, wheels & sprockets assembled & painting started.

I will ask admins to err revise my %age rating, as more shortcomings are becoming apparent.

Research continues sporadically.

No decals for the very bare drivers' compartment, at all, no signage, instruments etc.

No details for the drivers' compartment other than the seats and drive levers.
It is missing the obvious heater ducting, throttle levers(?), fire extingishers, and the light/comms switch (one of which is included on the cargo compartment wall).

I'm looking at Archer interior decals for the M113, as recommended on another build.

For UK markings, the Takom FV432 should have appropriate markings, and STAR decals have "FV432 Trojan UNPROFOR 1992-95 Balkan Peacekeepers Part 6" to provide High Viz & Union Jack markings, if not the White on Black number plates.

Hannants UK have ED36371 on Pre-Order with he following Blurb:

M752 Lance Self Propelled Missle (designed to be used with Dragon kits) DECEMBER RELEASES!! EXPECTED LATE NOVEMBER!!!

Their exclamation marks!!! No pics & nothing listed yet on the Eduard.cz website yet.