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Tamiya/Italeri Crusader mk III
Afroman
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Posted: Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 08:00 AM GMT+7
Hi all, Just thought I'd post my recently finished Crusader Mk III. No overall plan as of yet for the build but it is ready for Primer.

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Posted: Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 08:21 AM GMT+7
Nice build. Looking forward to see it painted.
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Posted: Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 08:27 AM GMT+7
very cool; looking forward to seeing it finished
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Posted: Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 11:12 AM GMT+7
Nice Ollie, have you ever built the older Italeri kit, and if so how would you compare them? Looking forward to the paint!
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Posted: Thursday, October 19, 2017 - 01:06 PM GMT+7
Wonderful how that old Italeri kit has held up. A few detail parts on the inside of the hatched and it looks as good as it did 30 years ago. A real classic. Also looking forward to seeing it painted.
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Posted: Friday, October 20, 2017 - 05:38 AM GMT+7

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Nice Ollie, have you ever built the older Italeri kit, and if so how would you compare them? Looking forward to the paint!



Hi guys, I'm also looking forward to painting it. Unfortunately I have never had the pleasure/misfortune of building the older Italeri kit, as it's abit before my time I'm afraid.
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Posted: Friday, October 20, 2017 - 06:30 AM GMT+7
This IS the old Italeri kit with a new sprue adding details and correcting the front fenders. Same plastic but for a handful of changes.

Amazing how well it has held up. I have built the mark I iteration and have a Mark II and III to go.
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Posted: Friday, October 20, 2017 - 06:35 AM GMT+7

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This IS the old Italeri kit with a new sprue adding details and correcting the front fenders. Same plastic but for a handful of changes.

Amazing how well it has held up. I have built the mark I iteration and have a Mark II and III to go.



Yes sorry, I was aware however I thought people meant the original tooling. my mistake.

I've recently inherited my late fathers stash and it has various crusaders/cruisers and other British tanks. I've no doubt I'll end up spending a small fortune on acessories for them.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 08:37 AM GMT+7
Progress update on the Crusader, still undecided on what to do with it.
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 04:09 AM GMT+7
Be aware, that Crusader IIIs would have been painted either SCC.2 Service Colour (fresh dogsh!t brown)or BS.61 Light Stone out of the factory and not any shade of green. Machines destined for North Africa would be Light Stone and those for units kept in England would be SCC.2 Brown.

Those are pretty much your only choices. On top of those basic colours would be added a disruptive camo colour, but the underlying vehicles were those two colours.

HTH

Paul
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 04:20 AM GMT+7
Thanks, admittedly this is based off of the early test vehicles which were tested in England painted as such. Pictures do exist on google but they are very rare.(Using abit of Artistic license ~ As with all my builds)
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 05:19 AM GMT+7
Hi Paul

Weren't the ones sent to Tunisia in green? Fletcher's British battle tanks of WW2 suggests so.
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 09:10 AM GMT+7
Hey all, A coat of Pledge later and the paint is sealed. I'm pretty happy with how close I was able to get the colour.

On to Weathering, My favorite.



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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 12:46 PM GMT+7

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Be aware, that Crusader IIIs would have been painted either SCC.2 Service Colour (fresh dogsh!t brown)or BS.61 Light Stone out of the factory and not any shade of green. Machines destined for North Africa would be Light Stone and those for units kept in England would be SCC.2 Brown.

Those are pretty much your only choices. On top of those basic colours would be added a disruptive camo colour, but the underlying vehicles were those two colours.

HTH

Paul




26 AB in Tunisia repainted their Crusaders in Green as attest by a few period Colour photos and tech instructions

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Posted: Friday, October 27, 2017 - 06:46 AM GMT+7

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26 AB in Tunisia repainted there Crusaders in Green as attest by a few period Colour photos and tech instructions


For sooth? Well, I stand corrected as to the service colour. They still would have been built in brown or light stone, though, I think, right?

What green is it supposed to be? Not light mud, but G3?
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Posted: Saturday, October 28, 2017 - 07:28 AM GMT+7
Hi gents, I've gone with the 26th as per stated above. standard marking of 52 for it however it has the Tunisia markings of the 6th, hence the white triangle and not the red.

Chipping finally finished, satisfied with how it looks but it could be better.
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Posted: Saturday, October 28, 2017 - 06:42 PM GMT+7
What's the co-ax? Looks a bit odd for the standard Besa.

I've never come across any detail on the green paint used so can't be sure if it was old stock or from a non-standard source.
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 02:22 AM GMT+7
I haven't a clue if it's standard, I made a comparison between the kit version and the brass add-on and they were the same.

As to perfectly colour grading the green I'm not too worried as I've heard several Horror stories from former REME that the paint is usually thinned with petrol and painted on with rags...
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 11:10 AM GMT+7

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26 AB in Tunisia repainted there Crusaders in Green as attest by a few period Colour photos and tech instructions


For sooth? Well, I stand corrected as to the service colour. They still would have been built in brown or light stone, though, I think, right?

What green is it supposed to be? Not light mud, but G3?

That would be the million dollar question, no idea if is a local colour or a standard let alone which! A number of units in Tunisia including 1st and 8th army used captured italian and French colours and some in pretty garish combinations if memoirs are to be believed
Afroman
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 09:16 AM GMT+7
Well I'm pretty happy with the way this has turned out.
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 10:55 AM GMT+7
Looks great
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 07:48 PM GMT+7
Superb weathering. Nice and grimy and it looks like it got rained on once or twice too.
Afroman
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 10:21 AM GMT+7
Thanks gents, There are a few things to touch up as you may have noticed but some superglue/effects were still drying.

(Spade,Tracks,Lever on hatch - all to be polished off)

Going to use one of the new provided figures in fancy grey sprue, work will be alot slower now though. I'm going to start on another. still haven't decided what though....

Happy Halloween aswell