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AK Real Colors&True-Color Paints
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2018 - 04:46 PM UTC
Superb camouflage work, Jasper! Thanks for confirming the use with the Evolution 0.2 mm nozzle.

I also like the flat look you got. Was that out-of-the-brush or after a flat coat?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 06:59 PM UTC

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I wonder if the new AK line would behave better in combination with this particular airbrush and nozzle size. There was one test report which would suggest it does behave better but hearing it again, from a different source would be reassuring.



Cristian, I use the H&S Evolution Silverline 2in1 and can assure you that with the 0.2 nozzle it sprays the Real Colors beautifuly. I thinned them with the regular AK 712 thinner, it sprayed very fine and had a great coverage. I don't remember having any problems with clogging, altough the paint dries very quick. I attached a picture of the result, all free-hand.





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Jasper
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 06:49 PM UTC
I'm actually planning my builds around the AK paints I have.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 06:39 PM UTC
I am making the gradual transition to AK Real Colors. Very happy with how they perform and the colors just look right to my eye.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 06:25 PM UTC
I like the this new color line by AK. I thin them with alcohol and it works perfect
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 06:07 PM UTC

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Yes, they are low/no odor lacquers and my new favorite live of paint. No messy dropper bottles and can be thinned, with anything from tap water to lacquer thinner.



Sorry but they are not real laquer,also AK say "Acrylic Laquer",It's quite different even if they share the word "laquer"



Neither are they "acrylics". In this instance "acrylic" describes the type of "lacquer".
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 06:01 PM UTC
Thanks for the confirmation and comments!

I was asking because I constantly have problems with acrylics (Revell, AK, Mig) clogging my 0.2 mm nozzle on the H&S Evolution Silverline while MR. Paint, for instance sprays on and on and on without any problems.

Reading through tons of forum threads, it seems to have narrowed down to acrylics being the problem along with the way the H&S nozzles are built.

I wonder if the new AK line would behave better in combination with this particular airbrush and nozzle size. There was one test report which would suggest it does behave better but hearing it again, from a different source would be reassuring.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 05:52 PM UTC

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Yes, they are low/no odor lacquers and my new favorite live of paint. No messy dropper bottles and can be thinned, with anything from tap water to lacquer thinner.



Sorry but they are not real laquer,also AK say "Acrylic Laquer",It's quite different even if they share the word "laquer"
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 05:32 PM UTC

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I was finally able to break out some AK Real Color paints, this morning. They spray beautifully. They have almost no odor, being true acrylics.



Odorless lacquer-based paints!? Am I getting this right? That would be awesome!

Thanks for testing these!
Cristian



Yes, they are low/no odor lacquers and my new favorite live of paint. No messy dropper bottles and can be thinned, with anything from tap water to lacquer thinner.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 05:31 PM UTC

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Odorless lacquer-based paints!? Am I getting this right? That would be awesome!

Thanks for testing these!
Cristian



they are not real Laquer they are Acrylics the binder it is a Acrylic resin but not water based like Tamiya,not a real laquer like Alcad
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 05:16 PM UTC

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I was finally able to break out some AK Real Color paints, this morning. They spray beautifully. They have almost no odor, being true acrylics.



Odorless lacquer-based paints!? Am I getting this right? That would be awesome!

Thanks for testing these!
Cristian
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 08:57 PM UTC
I'm to the point that I am offering free, with an eBay sale. It will spray, if I back the needle off. But, it just floods the surface. Really wish I could get it to work. However, frustration.
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 02:14 AM UTC
1)what kind of compressor you use? if its a desktop one, its drops about 2-3 psi the moment you push the AB trigger. and in any case too high. i only go that high for the last spray of cleaning fluid when i clean my AB.
2) try mixing the paint in a pot or something and then transfer to the AB.
3) don't pay too much attention to 1:1 or ratios. try to get to consistency of milk, stir the paint WELL. once you have done that retrace your steps and find the ratio that WORKS FOR YOU
4) what nozzle are you using? maybe the nozzle is just too tight for the pigments to push out.
5) sounds like you are having a lot of problems with that certain paint type. if you have another, maybe just use that? the hobby isn't about frustration.
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well, maybe not all of it
retiredyank
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 04:48 PM UTC
Revved up my compressor to 30psi. Tru-Color paint clogs. Cleaned ab. Reduced 1:1, with recommended thinner. Clog. Cleaned ab. Tried Mr. leveling thinner 1:1. Clog. Tried store brand lacquer thinner 1:1. Clog. Am I doing something wrong? The only other time I have encountered paint this stubborn was with house paint. I tried using a hairy stick, but the paint would not adhere.
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 08:10 PM UTC

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Tru-Color Paint is a solvent based paint. It contains a mixture of 7 different solvents so that it can be sprayed at 28-35 PSI with little or NO thinning. Our thinner , TCP-015, is made with the same blend of solvents used to manufacture the paint so that it will not hurt the intended finish or spray qualities of the paint. If Thinner is needed, we recommend no more than 15-20 % be added. In a fresh bottle of paint, you should not need anymore than that. In hot weather you can add 5-10 % Retarder, TCP-310, to slow down the evaporation rate.

We recommend that you do NOT use acetone to thin the Tru-Color Paint as it dries too fast and may cause the paint to blush. Acetone should only be used for cleaning up your air brush or dry brushes. It will clean everything nicely and you can do a 2nd or even a 3rd color within 30-45 minutes after the first color application.

The reason modelers think that Tru-Color Paint is an acetone based paint is because it is the most odorous and volatile of the solvents used in the mixture (although it is less than 10% of the mix) and by shipping regulations has to be listed as a component on the label because of its flammability.

Trust this helps.

Martin Cohen, PhD
Tru-Color Paint
P.O. Box 74524
Phoenix, AZ 85087-4524

714-488-9779



most desktop compressors (tank-less mostly) can't push 28-35PSI for long (definitely not for an entire painting session) before they shut off, if they can manage it all.



This is likely why I encountered clogging. The highest I went was 25psi. I have an old Badger compressor that pulsates, at higher psi.



No way to hook up a Big box compressor?

About $100.00



I'm not willing to buy a new compressor to use a line of paint.
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 04:37 AM UTC

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Tru-Color Paint is a solvent based paint. It contains a mixture of 7 different solvents so that it can be sprayed at 28-35 PSI with little or NO thinning. Our thinner , TCP-015, is made with the same blend of solvents used to manufacture the paint so that it will not hurt the intended finish or spray qualities of the paint. If Thinner is needed, we recommend no more than 15-20 % be added. In a fresh bottle of paint, you should not need anymore than that. In hot weather you can add 5-10 % Retarder, TCP-310, to slow down the evaporation rate.

We recommend that you do NOT use acetone to thin the Tru-Color Paint as it dries too fast and may cause the paint to blush. Acetone should only be used for cleaning up your air brush or dry brushes. It will clean everything nicely and you can do a 2nd or even a 3rd color within 30-45 minutes after the first color application.

The reason modelers think that Tru-Color Paint is an acetone based paint is because it is the most odorous and volatile of the solvents used in the mixture (although it is less than 10% of the mix) and by shipping regulations has to be listed as a component on the label because of its flammability.

Trust this helps.

Martin Cohen, PhD
Tru-Color Paint
P.O. Box 74524
Phoenix, AZ 85087-4524

714-488-9779



most desktop compressors (tank-less mostly) can't push 28-35PSI for long (definitely not for an entire painting session) before they shut off, if they can manage it all.



This is likely why I encountered clogging. The highest I went was 25psi. I have an old Badger compressor that pulsates, at higher psi.



No way to hook up a Big box compressor?

About $100.00
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 05:13 PM UTC

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Tru-Color Paint is a solvent based paint. It contains a mixture of 7 different solvents so that it can be sprayed at 28-35 PSI with little or NO thinning. Our thinner , TCP-015, is made with the same blend of solvents used to manufacture the paint so that it will not hurt the intended finish or spray qualities of the paint. If Thinner is needed, we recommend no more than 15-20 % be added. In a fresh bottle of paint, you should not need anymore than that. In hot weather you can add 5-10 % Retarder, TCP-310, to slow down the evaporation rate.

We recommend that you do NOT use acetone to thin the Tru-Color Paint as it dries too fast and may cause the paint to blush. Acetone should only be used for cleaning up your air brush or dry brushes. It will clean everything nicely and you can do a 2nd or even a 3rd color within 30-45 minutes after the first color application.

The reason modelers think that Tru-Color Paint is an acetone based paint is because it is the most odorous and volatile of the solvents used in the mixture (although it is less than 10% of the mix) and by shipping regulations has to be listed as a component on the label because of its flammability.

Trust this helps.

Martin Cohen, PhD
Tru-Color Paint
P.O. Box 74524
Phoenix, AZ 85087-4524

714-488-9779



most desktop compressors (tank-less mostly) can't push 28-35PSI for long (definitely not for an entire painting session) before they shut off, if they can manage it all.



This is likely why I encountered clogging. The highest I went was 25psi. I have an old Badger compressor that pulsates, at higher psi.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 03:49 PM UTC

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Tru-Color Paint is a solvent based paint. It contains a mixture of 7 different solvents so that it can be sprayed at 28-35 PSI with little or NO thinning. Our thinner , TCP-015, is made with the same blend of solvents used to manufacture the paint so that it will not hurt the intended finish or spray qualities of the paint. If Thinner is needed, we recommend no more than 15-20 % be added. In a fresh bottle of paint, you should not need anymore than that. In hot weather you can add 5-10 % Retarder, TCP-310, to slow down the evaporation rate.

We recommend that you do NOT use acetone to thin the Tru-Color Paint as it dries too fast and may cause the paint to blush. Acetone should only be used for cleaning up your air brush or dry brushes. It will clean everything nicely and you can do a 2nd or even a 3rd color within 30-45 minutes after the first color application.

The reason modelers think that Tru-Color Paint is an acetone based paint is because it is the most odorous and volatile of the solvents used in the mixture (although it is less than 10% of the mix) and by shipping regulations has to be listed as a component on the label because of its flammability.

Trust this helps.

Martin Cohen, PhD
Tru-Color Paint
P.O. Box 74524
Phoenix, AZ 85087-4524

714-488-9779



most desktop compressors (tank-less mostly) can't push 28-35PSI for long (definitely not for an entire painting session) before they shut off, if they can manage it all.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 11:10 AM UTC
I tried sanding Vallejo’s primer and had no problem at all. I keep seeing people claim that it can’t be sanded but my experience is not consistent with that.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 06:50 AM UTC
I used them the first time on a Valentine. I thinned them with Tamiya Lacquer thinner.
The second time on a T-60 using their thinner.
Both times they sprayed about the same as you would expect from Tamiya paints.
I like them.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 05:12 AM UTC
I got the paints Martin, but my last build was to close to being finished, but I am getting a T-34/85 so will try on them.
Greens are tad off will see what I can mix up, of what I have.

Cheers

Jeff
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Posted: Monday, April 02, 2018 - 06:27 AM UTC
Tru-Color Paint is a solvent based paint. It contains a mixture of 7 different solvents so that it can be sprayed at 28-35 PSI with little or NO thinning. Our thinner , TCP-015, is made with the same blend of solvents used to manufacture the paint so that it will not hurt the intended finish or spray qualities of the paint. If Thinner is needed, we recommend no more than 15-20 % be added. In a fresh bottle of paint, you should not need anymore than that. In hot weather you can add 5-10 % Retarder, TCP-310, to slow down the evaporation rate.

We recommend that you do NOT use acetone to thin the Tru-Color Paint as it dries too fast and may cause the paint to blush. Acetone should only be used for cleaning up your air brush or dry brushes. It will clean everything nicely and you can do a 2nd or even a 3rd color within 30-45 minutes after the first color application.

The reason modelers think that Tru-Color Paint is an acetone based paint is because it is the most odorous and volatile of the solvents used in the mixture (although it is less than 10% of the mix) and by shipping regulations has to be listed as a component on the label because of its flammability.

Trust this helps.

Martin Cohen, PhD
Tru-Color Paint
P.O. Box 74524
Phoenix, AZ 85087-4524

714-488-9779
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 08:13 PM UTC
Hi Matt,

thanks for the review... just curios, can they be thinned with Mr.Thinner??

thanks
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 08:12 PM UTC

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I'm not sure thinning paint with aceton is a good idea. Probably could damage the seals, plus it vaporizes very, very quickly, so I wouldn't be surprised if the color wasn't even thinned as it should



Agreed. I will contact Tru-Color for alternative reduction agents.
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 08:07 PM UTC
I'm not sure thinning paint with aceton is a good idea. Probably could damage the seals, plus it vaporizes very, very quickly, so I wouldn't be surprised if the color wasn't even thinned as it should