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Fujimi 1/24 scale Martini Porsche 917 K
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2018 - 01:44 AM UTC

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Never mind the mistake the rest looks a stunning effort on those Martini decals over all those Porsche curves. And isn't it always a great feeling when you peel back the tape and your masking hasn't let any bleeding through.

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Michael,
Thanks for stopping by and checking out my progress to date. Glad that you like my decaling efforts. The truth be known that back in those days, the vinyl stickers weren't nearly put on with the greatest of care before a race weekend, and any that had to be replaced during the weekend. Just the nature of the beast. I've got pictures of this car before, during, after, and in the Porsche race car display at the corp. headquarters, and just the #22s on the doors are each in a different locations. Those multi color splashes aren't in the same place twice either. Honestly, it drove me nuts. But the final effect looks pretty good to me, so I'm pleased with the results.


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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2018 - 01:50 AM UTC

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Beautiful neat work, Joel. Yes, the technique you described for painting the lights surroundings is quite often employed by the "car guys" that prefer to airbrush everything, especially for dash boards / door cards / rubber seals around windows.

It's a pity with the decals, but if the replacement is free and the screw-up doesn't interfere with the main workflow too much, then you're in a lucky spot! Glad to hear that!

Gabriel



Gabriel,

Thanks so much for those most kind words, they're greatly appreciated.

The toothpick procedure has been around for ages and still works beautifully every time.

As for the decal screw up, it was 100% my carelessness as the mishap happened while the decals were loosening on a tile I use for that purpose. Mike from Indy Cal is the leader in the car modeling sector, and a great builder. His policy makes buying from him that much better. Considering that he has to make a new sheet as he doesn't keep any stock on hand, it's time consuming to say the least, and he even picks up the postage. But the bottom line is that I would have purchased another sheet if needed, especially as his decals are extremely reasonable in price.

Joel

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Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2018 - 10:14 AM UTC
Just, well, wow!
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Posted: Monday, July 16, 2018 - 09:09 AM UTC
Hi Joel

Great thread - and great build!

I've actually got several car and motorbike kits which I bought a few years back when I knew I needed a busman's holiday from aircraft (which, of course, I never took! )

Checking out a thread like this is a bit like opening Pandora's box for someone like me, because it holds the irresistible lure of something so different and tempting from what I'm committed to (for the next 9 months or so, at least!).

But, I shall not weaken! LOL! My resolve is strong to stay the course with my Luftwaffe book builds ... but, WOW! - I think I'd better book my place for an Auto Modeller build next year, because this looks seriously fun!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 - 01:46 AM UTC

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Hi Joel

Great thread - and great build!

I've actually got several car and motorbike kits which I bought a few years back when I knew I needed a busman's holiday from aircraft (which, of course, I never took! )

Checking out a thread like this is a bit like opening Pandora's box for someone like me, because it holds the irresistible lure of something so different and tempting from what I'm committed to (for the next 9 months or so, at least!).

But, I shall not weaken! LOL! My resolve is strong to stay the course with my Luftwaffe book builds ... but, WOW! - I think I'd better book my place for an Auto Modeller build next year, because this looks seriously fun!

All the best

Rowan




Rowan,
I'm thrilled that you like my maiden auto build. It's certainly different then military aircraft modeling. I've been a race fan since 1963, so the cars I'll build all have a special meaning to me.

I just finished sanding, rubbing out, and polishing the clearcoat. I'm speechless which almost never happens to me. I haven't even waxed it yet with the synthetic polymer polish I use for My Sports Coupe, as the shine is incredible.

I just might build another race car in my stash next, then my 1st 1/72 multi prop with AM goodies as I've changed my building philosophy to drop down in scale for big multis, as time and space is starting to become in short supply.

Looking forward to the day when your 1st build blog appears in AutoModeler. Now that would be a 1st that even Jim would never have given a 2nd thought to.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, July 21, 2018 - 01:16 PM UTC
Time for another update.

Much progress has been made, as I'm finally over the big test of glossing, rubbing out, and polishing the shell. As I said in my last update, I managed to get the decals to lay down perfectly except for a few that I screwed up not paying attention to where I placed my hands. Michael from Indy Cal has a policy of replacing one time any ruined decals no matter what caused it. Just send a picture. So i did, got a email from Michael that the decals would be printed ASAP and mailed to me. Got them 3 days later. Thank you Michael for the fantastic policy, and the speed in which you got me the decals.

Next step was to glosscoat the entire shell, then rub it out with 3,000 wet, followed by MCW 2 step polishing paste compounds. I originally bought one bottle of MCW lacquer Clear gloss, but I've gone through 2/3 of it ass ti's pre-thinned, and at $7/bottle I'd need another bottle just to finish the build. Way to expense for my tastes. My brother Peter, whose tested out just about every gloss out there for modelers, swears by Mr. Color Gloss, so I bought 5 bottles since they only come in 10ml bottles. I thinned it out 2 parts Gloss to 3 parts Mr. Color leveling Thinner. Then AB'd it @ a flow rate of 18 psi. Two tack coats, followed by 3 wet coats, with the last coat really being on the wet side. The shine was incredible to say the least.

I gave it a full 48 hrs to cure, then I wet sanded it with good old Tamiya 3,000. As I polished it the shine became opaque, which it's supposed to do. What I'm looking for is spots, and areas that remained glossy. Those are low areas that I have to carefully sand down to remove yet staying away from any ridges or sharp corners. When done, I used a tack cloth, then a rinse in warm running water. When dry, I once again went over it with the tack cloth.

Next step was the 1st bottle of polishing paste that I applied in circles, the exact opposite way that I sand which is in straight lines. Slowly the shine started to come back and the scratches started to disappear. When I went as far as i could with step 1, I repeated the polishing with Step 2. The shine was back. Even, nice, and deep. I still can polish it with either wax or a polymer polish, but that's for the end of the build if I feel it really needs it.




















Now my efforts focused on finishing up the cockpit. I added a clutch cable as that's how the clutch was engaged back in those days. then I added the dash, shift level, seats, Steering wheel, and a 4 waySeatbelt harness by Tamiya. Unfortunately, it's a design for later period cars, so I had to modify it. The end results are good enough. One issue did pop up, and that's the rear cockpit bulkhead sliding plexi window. it's crude at best and slightly to large. I got it go fit, and the framing in real life is inside the cockpit. I've given it one color coat so far, and a 2nd coat will finish it up. The front suspension is done although you won't see much of it through the Firestone tires once installed.





thanks for stopping by and checking out my Porsche 917K build todate, it's always much appreciated.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2018 - 01:32 AM UTC
Joel, you cannot do me that! Get a nice glossy finish from the first try! Where's the drama? Where's the suspense? Just joking. I'm mightily impressed by the quality of that finish and as suspected, it's very difficult to photograph the shine of a white object... but the shine and evenness can be made out on the darker surfaces so I take it for granted.
The interior looks endearing too, to say the least!

Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2018 - 01:53 AM UTC

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Joel, you cannot do me that! Get a nice glossy finish from the first try! Where's the drama? Where's the suspense? Just joking. I'm mightily impressed by the quality of that finish and as suspected, it's very difficult to photograph the shine of a white object... but the shine and evenness can be made out on the darker surfaces so I take it for granted.
The interior looks endearing too, to say the least!

Gabriel



Gabriel,
The sense of drama is the utter failures of several race car bodies/kits from 8+ years ago that were shall we say horrendous! and that's the nicest thing I can say about those failures. I do have a 1/20 scale McLaren MP4/4 that came out well enough to have in my display. But now I'm going to try and refinish it.

Honestly, the only reason I, with a lot of luck got this level of finish, is because literally there's a plethora of excellent videos on You Tube on how to accomplish this. I just merely followed how a few of my favorite builders accomplish it. I must say that luck played a great deal in the how the finish turned out.

And yes, White is most difficult to photograph to show a shine, to the some what the same extent that trying to photograph your White car after detailing it for literally hours, just doesn't compare to the shine of a dark colored car.

The interior is actually coming out better then I had thought it would.

I still have a long way to go to cross that 1st finish line. But I'm literally enjoying every min at the bench working on my 917K.

Thank you my friend for your always most appreciative comments, and being there every step of the way.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, July 23, 2018 - 09:44 AM UTC
Joel you've now reached the stage in your build where nerves would overtake me and I'd be afraid to handle it for fear of damage!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 - 04:43 AM UTC
Well it's time for another update.

I'm finally seeing the finish line as I'm getting closer to the end of this journey.

Worked focused on mostly finishing up the rear suspension, engine area, & tires.

The tires were up next. As usual with rubber molded tires, there is a centerline seam that needs to be removed if you want to show them as having a few laps on them. Otherwise the seam does appear on the real tires. I removed them and the scuffing up of the tires just adds a little something extra. I then Glossed the tire sidewalls with Super Clear, gave them a day to cure, then I just applied the Firestone decals from Indy Cal like any other decal. They dried perfectly. That was followed by a coat of Super Clear, then a little polishing. The Firestone emblems looks like it was molded on.

The kit doesn't have a full engine, but just the top and lower sections with the exhaust system. On the lower side, everything basically is molded on, so all the detail painting was done by hand, with a ton of touch ups needed.





The rear suspension is more like a jigsaw puzzle then an easy straight forward assembly, but it does go together reasonably well. I did need to use 5 min Epoxy on the main upper rods that attach to the cockpit bulkhead.

Next was the upper fan housing and injector covers & plate. The covers & Plate were painted gloss Black then decaled with the Martini logo which for some reason is a dark blue? But as far as my research goes, its' correct. The huge intakes were painted my homemade fiberglass color which is as close as I could get it to the real color. The rear wheel housings were painted Nato Black, but I didn't bother painting the backside as you can't see it once the body is on. And finally, the rear brake light covers were painted with a base of Silver, then Tamiya Clear Yellow and Clear Red.

The tires were dry fitted and I finally got to see if all 4 wheels actually touched the ground at the same time, and they do indeed. But I do need to properly align the rear tires.

Next up I glued on the main windscreen, and I was more then surprised that it fit perfectly. The side Plexi windows with sliding doors didn't fit, and I had to do a fair amount of "shaping" to get them to fit. As on the real car, they don't fit flush, so I'm ok that they're a little thicker then the body. Once they fit, I air brushed the backsides Tamiya Clear yellow. the effect when dry is that of tinted Plexi Glass.

















Joel





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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 - 08:44 AM UTC
Joel, nice progress there. I'm straightforwardly jealous

It looks like you accommodated pretty fast with the new "auto-modeler" hat and you look fashionable with it. I'm glad to see you passed well the sensitive moments of the build and from now on you're accelerating on the last straight line - can you see the checkered flag?

Gabriel
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 - 08:53 AM UTC

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Joel, nice progress there. I'm straightforwardly jealous

It looks like you accommodated pretty fast with the new "auto-modeler" hat and you look fashionable with it. I'm glad to see you passed well the sensitive moments of the build and from now on you're accelerating on the last straight line - can you see the checkered flag?

Gabriel



Gabriel,
Honestly, I never thought I'd get this far period with my 1st car build, let alone this quickly.

And yes I can finally see the finish line up ahead. Just have to get the shell on the chassis which isn't exactly a smooth drop on fit, then align all the tires. I've already added all the lights, lenses, and plexi glass.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 - 10:34 PM UTC
Joel, that's superb work on detailing the engine especially since its moulded as one piece. The tinted glass has also worked a treat.
Looking forward to final assembly.

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Michael
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Posted: Thursday, August 02, 2018 - 01:12 AM UTC

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Joel, that's superb work on detailing the engine especially since its moulded as one piece. The tinted glass has also worked a treat.
Looking forward to final assembly.

cheers
Michael



Michael,
Thanks so much for your most kind and positive words once again.

While AutoModeler is a small community on KitMaker Network, it's still my home for auto modeling, as Aeroscale is for my aircraft models. Hopefully my contributions will bring other aircraft modelers into the fold that also have an interest in model cars as a alternate build.

The final update should be tomorrow or Saturday as the Martini 917K finally powered over the finish line late last night.


Joel
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Posted: Thursday, August 02, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC
Joel

this is looking fantastic! And so very nearly at completion now!

Just the tricky bit of mating the body to the chassis!

Best of luck with that, but I'm sure you'll manage!

Look forward to seeing it all together.

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Posted: Friday, August 03, 2018 - 01:42 AM UTC

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Joel

this is looking fantastic! And so very nearly at completion now!

Just the tricky bit of mating the body to the chassis!

Best of luck with that, but I'm sure you'll manage!

Look forward to seeing it all together.




Russell,
Thanks for the continued support and constant thumbs up.

I've been test fitting the shell throughout the build and I've known for a while that it's not the greatest of fits. I've been sanding, filing, reshaping the cockpit bulkhead, thinning the rear wheel housings, massaging the front clip where the chassis joins it, and I've got it as close as I can.

My original goal was a drop on fit, but it's just not going to happen. the rear half of the shell originally was meant to be displayed off or in the up position. that's my reasoning for the spare tire detail, those huge intakes, and all that suspension detail buried under shell. The rear shell as some what in real life is held in place with two clasps that don't precisely line up as the main frame part was warped in my kit. And the black plastic is weird in that it bends to a small degree, so it's almost impossible to massage it back to its correct shape.

Still, with some weight and more Extra Thin then I wanted to use, I've got the shell on and it looks ok. The main thing is that all 4 Firestone's touch the pavement at the same time. That was always an issue back in the 70's when I tried a few race car kits.

Just the recessed panel line wash to finish up, and she's done and in the books.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, August 04, 2018 - 06:41 AM UTC
Well, my Porsche 917K build has crossed the finish line, and my 1st AutoModeler build is in the books.

The few final touches have been addressed such as the lights and lenses installed, the main windshield installed, as both fit like a glove.

In the old days we called them side curtains. Those are the plexi-glass insert windows for the drivers pit, and there is a smaller built in sliding "window" that can be opened by hand by either the driver or a crew member. Those plexi inserts should be a clear yellow, but are just clear in the kit. So I air brushed the insides of each one Tamiya Clear Yellow, and they look perfect. Unfortunately, they were oversized and not quite square to the opening. Some sanding and a little more massaging later, and they popped right in.

And finally the rear brake light lenses. In the kit they're just clear. They should be as called out in the instructions half clear red and half clear yellow. So I painted the mounting plate for each one silver, then hand painted the lenses on the outside Tamiya Clear Red, then the other half Tamiya Clear Yellow. You just couldn't paint the backs as the look from the outside was completely off. I finished both lenses with a few light coats of Pledge. Once installed, they looked just fine.

The windshield whipers were a little fiddly to build, but it fits just fine, and the blades actually laid down on the windshield.

And now the final step, Tamiya Black recessed panel line wash for the various doors and panels that just don't look right with bright, glossy White paint in them. The wash went on without any issues, and I removed the excel with Turpenoid damp Q-tip.

Thanks to everyone whose stopped by to look at my build progressing to the finish line, and a special thanks to all of you who took the time to post your comments. They're always most welcome.

And now here's the Porsche 917K as she crossed the finish line last night.

Joel








































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Just awesome!

Cheers
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Joel your Porsche didn't just crossed the finish line, but crossed it like a winner. You really should be splashing some champagne around (be careful with the models though!)

It was a really pleasure to follow your progress, as I am always interested to learn new "tricks" or just to confirm the ones I know. You managed to keep my interest alive with great updates, very well explained and top notch quality of the work. Thank you, my friend!

so... what is next?

Gabriel
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Just awesome!

Cheers
Michael



Michael,
Thanks so much for you most positive comments, they mean quite a lot to me, especially on my maiden car build. There were more then one of two times when I was really concerned about not getting to the finish line, but you guys really helped me over those humps.

Joel
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Joel your Porsche didn't just crossed the finish line, but crossed it like a winner. You really should be splashing some champagne around (be careful with the models though!)

It was a really pleasure to follow your progress, as I am always interested to learn new "tricks" or just to confirm the ones I know. You managed to keep my interest alive with great updates, very well explained and top notch quality of the work. Thank you, my friend!

so... what is next?

Gabriel




Gabriel,

Thanks so much for those accolades, I'm actually almost speechless, and as you know, I'm not the quiet shy type by any means.

Like the other core guys here on AutoModeler, you guys just accepted me as part of the family even knowing that I also build aircraft, but cars isn't a "just an alternate build" to get my Mojo flowing. For me it's a passion that I've had since I was 13 years old when I discovered European Auto racing in the pages of Road & Track and Car & Driver.

Whenever I tried to paint a car shell, it turned out to be a true disaster, so I just modeled what I've always modeled: Aircraft. But now I've finally crested that hump.

I'm not by any means fooling myself that my painting is IPMS contest quality by any means, but it's certainly more then acceptable. and I find myself just starring at it in it's own plastic display case, still not believing that I actually accomplished this.

I'm equally glad that you enjoyed my build blog presentation, and even learned a thing or two. Funny, but I felt exactly that way about your Bike and even trailer build. You're an excellent painter, and you've really got me thinking about trying Urethane's sooner then later.

My current build plans (which change faster then the local weather), is to build two cars, then one aircraft. I'm sure that at some point that will balance out to one & one, but for now two to one is where my Mojo has me going.

The next build was actually started two years ago, the Ebbro 1/20 scale Lotus 49 Ford DFV 1967 F1 car. I got maybe half the cockpit done, and the thought of the Yellow stripe scared me off and it became a shelf Queen. So look for my 1st update next week.

Joel
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Well!

That's a championship winner if ever there was one!

Congrats on a fantastic build Joel and thank you for sharing!

It's been quite a ride!

Looking forward to seeing what next graces your workbench!
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Like the other core guys here on AutoModeler, you guys just accepted me as part of the family even knowing that I also build aircraft, but cars isn't a "just an alternate build" to get my Mojo flowing. For me it's a passion that I've had since I was 13 years old when I discovered European Auto racing in the pages of Road & Track and Car & Driver.



Joel, a modeler with your experience and rigorous approach is a godsend for any micro modeling community Same like you said, I was an auto modeler "part time", my first love being soft skin vehicles - more German they were, the better they were (LOL). But my personal record shows that I am a capricious lover, flirting with 72nd scale now and then, and lately having a crush on 24th scale


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Whenever I tried to paint a car shell, it turned out to be a true disaster, so I just modeled what I've always modeled: Aircraft. But now I've finally crested that hump.



It's good you never gave up! I have couple of kits in my stash that I am afraid to open - but I know I just need more time for my skills to "ripe".


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I'm equally glad that you enjoyed my build blog presentation, and even learned a thing or two. Funny, but I felt exactly that way about your Bike and even trailer build. You're an excellent painter, and you've really got me thinking about trying Urethane's sooner then later.


I consider urethanes to be a "necessary evil": they are stinky, they are gluey, they are difficult to clean and a pain to strip if something goes wrong. But once well applied and well cured, they are shiny and though as glass and because their hardness, you can polish them "miles deep", as per your favorite saying I'm waiting now for my first 2K shipment - due to arrive next Tuesday. I'll keep you posted how they perform.


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My current build plans (which change faster then the local weather), is to build two cars, then one aircraft. I'm sure that at some point that will balance out to one & one, but for now two to one is where my Mojo has me going.

The next build was actually started two years ago, the Ebbro 1/20 scale Lotus 49 Ford DFV 1967 F1 car. I got maybe half the cockpit done, and the thought of the Yellow stripe scared me off and it became a shelf Queen. So look for my 1st update next week.



Definitely you caught me again - you're a crafty one ! Lotus and Benetton are my favorite "underdogs"! I'm eagerly anticipating your postings!

Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, August 06, 2018 - 03:11 AM UTC

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Well!

That's a championship winner if ever there was one!

Congrats on a fantastic build Joel and thank you for sharing!

It's been quite a ride!

Looking forward to seeing what next graces your workbench!



Russell,
Thanks so much for your most kind and positive comments. it's my pleasure to share with you guys my builds, and if some of my techniques are a help to anyone, so much the better.

My next build will also be another race car, the Ebbro Lotus 49 Ford DFV. It's one of my personal all time favorite F1 cars. I started the build 2 years ago, but didn't even finish step one. It's now on my workbench and I'm almost ready for my 1st update.

Joel
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Like the other core guys here on AutoModeler, you guys just accepted me as part of the family even knowing that I also build aircraft, but cars isn't a "just an alternate build" to get my Mojo flowing. For me it's a passion that I've had since I was 13 years old when I discovered European Auto racing in the pages of Road & Track and Car & Driver.



Joel, a modeler with your experience and rigorous approach is a godsend for any micro modeling community Same like you said, I was an auto modeler "part time", my first love being soft skin vehicles - more German they were, the better they were (LOL). But my personal record shows that I am a capricious lover, flirting with 72nd scale now and then, and lately having a crush on 24th scale


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Whenever I tried to paint a car shell, it turned out to be a true disaster, so I just modeled what I've always modeled: Aircraft. But now I've finally crested that hump.



It's good you never gave up! I have couple of kits in my stash that I am afraid to open - but I know I just need more time for my skills to "ripe".


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I'm equally glad that you enjoyed my build blog presentation, and even learned a thing or two. Funny, but I felt exactly that way about your Bike and even trailer build. You're an excellent painter, and you've really got me thinking about trying Urethane's sooner then later.


I consider urethanes to be a "necessary evil": they are stinky, they are gluey, they are difficult to clean and a pain to strip if something goes wrong. But once well applied and well cured, they are shiny and though as glass and because their hardness, you can polish them "miles deep", as per your favorite saying I'm waiting now for my first 2K shipment - due to arrive next Tuesday. I'll keep you posted how they perform.


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My current build plans (which change faster then the local weather), is to build two cars, then one aircraft. I'm sure that at some point that will balance out to one & one, but for now two to one is where my Mojo has me going.

The next build was actually started two years ago, the Ebbro 1/20 scale Lotus 49 Ford DFV 1967 F1 car. I got maybe half the cockpit done, and the thought of the Yellow stripe scared me off and it became a shelf Queen. So look for my 1st update next week.



Definitely you caught me again - you're a crafty one ! Lotus and Benetton are my favorite "underdogs"! I'm eagerly anticipating your postings!

Gabriel



Gabriel,
My all time favorite F1 car from the 60s is Gurney's AAR Eagle that he won Spa with. The guy broke my heart as a fan as the car just never could stay together and broke constantly, but when it was on with Gurney behind the wheel, Clark said that he was the only driver he ever really worried about. Chapman's Lotus mark was a true ground breaker, and Clark to me will always be the best of the best. Not even Senna could fill his shoes. A true Gentleman Farmer was he goal.

So it's fitting that my next build be the Lotus 49. should be a rather interesting build.

Joel