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1/200 HMS Rodney with Pontos Stuff
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 08:22 PM UTC

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Agree with Tim, Warren.

Sometimes the PE is more hassle than it's worth!

Meanwhile, nice score on the Dremel! Best power tool I've ever bought!



Yes Russell. I have found a few instances over the years of PE designers going for too much detail and making parts unuseable. Not very common but still a hassle.

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Warren
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 08:20 PM UTC

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Hi Warren,

I too find that etch manufacturers sometimes overthink their solutions and come up with elaborate but elegantly impractical constructions - your barrel mounting solution looks good so far, though!




Too right Tim. I have found this to be the case quite often, and even with 15 years of using PE it can be just not worth the hassle.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 07:57 PM UTC
Make that unanimous.

Good tip, I shall remember this for the Nel, when I finally get round to her.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:09 AM UTC
Agree with Tim, Warren.

Sometimes the PE is more hassle than it's worth!

Meanwhile, nice score on the Dremel! Best power tool I've ever bought!
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Posted: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 12:50 AM UTC
Hi Warren,

I too find that etch manufacturers sometimes overthink their solutions and come up with elaborate but elegantly impractical constructions - your barrel mounting solution looks good so far, though!

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Posted: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 - 08:15 PM UTC
Thanks Simon and Mark.

Well it has been a little while but you would think I had done nothing going on the five pictures I have to upload. I got this for my Birthday from my lovely Wife..



I also got a 1/1 scale VW Golf Cabrio but I won't post a picture of that.

Anyway, I have one important thing to say before anything else, Mr Kim at Pontos, your barrel support solution is hopeless in reality. Try slipping a small brass rod through at least four thin pieces of brass and one breaks away everytime. It looks lovely..



.. but it isn't workable. One solution maybe to make the attaching part of the brass barrels smaller and thus allow you to pass a single length of brass rod through the brass. Better still make a resin [art to replace the brass.. or something milled from a solid block of some material. So I removed all that lovely brass and decided to iuse a hybrid of kit plastic and the brass barrels. Here are the plastic bits minus the one that goes on the end AFTER you put the plastic rod through all the barrel holders..



And it comes out looking like this..



Here the plastic cement is drying to hopefully line up the barrels. I used some other brass parts that were supposed to be for something else but it hides the interior of the turrets..



So that's all for the moment.. but it may not be the end of the turret saga as I might have a go at soldering those pieces together.. but not today..

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 10:48 AM UTC
Warren,

That catapult look wonderful, great detail.

I seen those Quads from Shapeways the other day and thought those are some good looking items.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, July 20, 2018 - 04:17 AM UTC
Catapult looks great Warren.

Looking forwarding seeing progress on those big guns.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, July 19, 2018 - 06:42 PM UTC
Thanks everyone

Now for an update on the week that was..

I continued with the catapault and the first thing I did was finish the two ends..



Fundly enough the Pontos instructions don't show the ends fited to the catapault. I assume they might go elsewhere. Next I started on the catapault body..



Then started adding bits and bobs..



Until I ended up with this ..



Then it was on to the next part of the instructions which cover the construction of the main turrets. These are nice and satisfying to build in 1/200 as they are nice and chunky. Again, the Trumpeter barrels are awesome for plastic barrels but I will be using the brass ones from Pontos. As you can see the brass barrel is notably longer than the Trumpeter barrel..



I cut off the plastic barrels..



.. but when I went to drill the holes in the plastic parts for the brass barrels I found I had no 2mm drill bits. Will have to buy a few tomorrow. Next up I started preparing the turrets for brass. First I removed the plastic pieces on the turret base that needed removing..



The plastic detail on the roof of the turrets is as good as the brass details, but there are a few items missing from the roofs so I sanded all the details up the polished the plastic to give the CA glue a nice smooth surface to attach too...



All done..



Then When I went to the post Office this afternoon there was a box from Shapeways waiting for me and four quad Vickers guns were waiting for me..

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Can't see much detail yet but should be fine after a coat of paint.

That's it for now.

Cheers
Warren




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Posted: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 - 04:16 PM UTC
Warren,

great etch work, and very nice progress! This looks really tasty - actually makes me want to try one of those 1/200 beasts...if only they were not that big...

the 6" and the crane look really good!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, July 16, 2018 - 07:50 AM UTC
What Russ said,

And the Crane does look superb.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2018 - 09:56 AM UTC
setting a cracking pace Warren and nice save on the crane!
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Posted: Sunday, July 15, 2018 - 02:01 AM UTC
Hi Warren,

Excellent work.

I've been following along in the background but thought I would finally chime in. That PE work is outstanding. I didn't realize that there were many kits in 1/200 before. I dread hitting the PE work on the Alaska. Lots of it is just way too small for me.

Steve
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2018 - 10:15 PM UTC
Warren,

Too bad about your near disaster but it looks like you made a nice recovery. Your PE work is looking sweet. I really like the detail on those ladders, they look very solid and strong.

Mark
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Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2018 - 05:53 PM UTC
Hi All.

Time to continue the blog. First up I continue with the six smaller turrets. Each has a couple of periscopes on the roof. The mast looks like this..



And after you have added the top parts..



After that some doors on the back of the turrets and a couple of different types of ladders, depending on where the turret is located..





Then each of the rear turrets have railings around the top. To bend the feet I used my larger bending tool//



That also comes with a large blade for bending long things. After bending they got placed on the tops of the turrets..





Next on the agenda is the crane used for lifting the Walrus's onto and off the catapult. This is the sprue all the crane bits comes on..



After removing the crane I started on the bending process..







After that you need to construct the base of the crane..



.. modifying plastic parts and attaching PE as you go..







One more set of tools I forgot were my set of drills ranging from 0.1mm to a bit over 1mm in 0.1mm increments.



Very useful. Then you started attching the plastic bits to the crane's base..



And some drums and the centrla support..



After that you start with the rigging for the jib you constructed earlier..





Then all was going smoothly until a mini disaster.. I dropped the crane body and these bits decided to eject themselves..



I got a bit surly after that as it had taken me ages to do the rigging and I didn't seem to be getting anywhere with it. But after about three hours of fiddling I finally got the crane to the point where I could attach the jib..



Then I installed all the rest of the bits and ended up with..



.. which isn't exactly as it is in the instructions but I found it almost impossible to do some of the rigging the way described, or shown at least, so I did it my way and kept my sanity instead. Probably give me another one to build and it would go together without a hitch.

Next job is to build the catapault located on one of the main turrets starting with this..





And that's all he wrote for the moment..

Cheers all
Warren

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Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - 10:18 PM UTC
fantastic details in the Pontos set Warren

doing it justice!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - 01:19 PM UTC
Warren,

Nice progress pictures, you been real busy with the PE and brass work. Very nice indeed. Looking forward to the next progress report.

Mark
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Posted: Monday, July 09, 2018 - 07:10 PM UTC
Hello everyone.

Sorry for the lack of updates but much of the build has been concentrating on getting little things done that were not very exciting to describe. So I am going to give some overall photos of completed stuff, like steam pinnaces and lifeboats, and then get back to the more in-depth stuff as various people have requested.

Just to go against all I just typed here are some piccies of the steam pinnace construction. First you need to remove quite a bit of detail from the deck including the aft cabin..



Then I placed the PE deck on the plastic piece and found I had to remove even more plastic. I highlighted the excess with a black marker then cut it out.





Then I glued the deck to the deck and trimmed some more plastic..



After that I started folding the PE that makes up the rear cabin,



And glued it to the PE deck..



While I let that harden I decided to constuct part of one type of gun directors used on the Rodney..



Then after that the instructions suggest you build some hose reels. These are supplied in the Pontos set using turned brass and PE for the end pieces and frames.



To cut the turned brass pieces I used my trusty No2 knife and just rolled the reel putting downward pressure on the reel until the blade sliced through. No dags that way you would get using end cutters.



Each of the reels is made up of five pieces



And there are three sizes that use the turned brass parts.



There are other PE parts to make further reels but you have to use plastic for the spools of the reels and there is no indication as yet as to how many of the smaller reels you need in either the Pontos or Trumpeter instructions so they can wait until I get to that part.
Next up I started on the six 5 inch turrets clustered at the rear of the model. Both the plastic and brass parts are almost identical, but the brass parts are slightly longer.





I debated as to whether to bother using the brass barrels as I really dislike adding the barrels to plastic bits as it is rather difficult to get everything lined up properly. But I said to myself, "Self, this is the only HMS Rodney you are going to build so why waste good brass barrels?" So I sliced off the plastic barrels very carefully,



Drilled holes in the plastic to receive the brass barrels,



And glued the brass to the plastic.



I set them aside to harden and started on the turrets themselves. First up you needed to remove fine plastic detail from the roofs of the turret.



Then I added the PE roof to the turrets,



.. drilled 0.5mm holes in the plastic through the holes in the brass and then added the PE doors to the back of the turrets.

I separated the periscope poles using the same knife method I used for the hose reels (there are 6 on each turned piece of rod) and then folded up the PE periscope parts that attach to the poles.



These are about 1 mm in size after bending and to allow easier bending I annealed them before trying to bend them. Pontos supply extras of all these tiny parts in case you stuff one of them up, or the floor monster spirits one away.

That's all for now.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 - 08:25 PM UTC
Thanks Russell and Simon.

I believe I am over thinking the painting of the boats. It looks like they are supposed to be light grey on the top surfaces and dark grey on the sides. I am going to use the Hataka paints and see how it all goes.

Will upload photos etc tomorrow.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 - 07:04 AM UTC
Hi Warren,

Nice work, the boats look great nice so far.

I do like an unpainted / unstained wood deck, but if camo it is, nothing wrong with a bit of freestyle.


Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 02, 2018 - 01:06 PM UTC

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Yes mate I received it. I thought I had replied.. sorry.

Big update tonight as the site wasn't working properly.



Nah, no reply yet, but that's ok. As long as you got them


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Hi Jan.

Thanks for the welcome back.

I was just looking at Google and there is a nice, clear picture of the Rodney with the camo scheme but lovely wooden decks! SOlves that problem si I can use the lovely wooden deck with the camo scheme, but not the one in the painting guide as it is a bit inaccurate... or maybe I will just take a little artistic licence..

Cheers
Warren




The RN were notorious for random acts of deck darkening (not sure I'd call it painting) and so there is very little info on when/or if decks were dark or natural. Some pics show dark, but they could be just wet, where others if full sun appear natural (although not scrubbed as in peacetime). So I say go with your own gut/personal preference.

To me IMHO natural always looks more appealing on a model


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Hi Warren,

I'm more and more becoming a fan of some artistic license myself - after struggling with getting HMS Hood as accurate as I possibly could I realized that I was struggling more and more, almost to the point of stalling. I know that for HMS Hood there are fantastic references out there, books and really good advice from the HMS Hood association. However, it's too much to contemplate all. So I lowered the bar just a little - fairly accurate and correct to the sources yes, but just some artistic license where it seems reasonable or just looks smart or the effort of getting it 100% correct is just overwhelming my abilities

I'd go for the paint scheme you are considering, it looks really good, and leave the deck unpainted (pretty much for the same reason).

Cheers,
Jan



Agree 100% Jan. No one else is going to see my models except friends. I tried a competition once but won't be doing that again as there was just no feedback on the model. I build for me and the enjoyment I get in the build therefore I am in no way a rivet counter as life is just too short.

Anyway, a quick update.. Did some more work on the 45' launches..

Only got a few minutes this afternoon as I had house work to do before my Wife got home from work.

Cheers
Warren




Couldn't agree more: Artistic license on accuracy is fine if there is no available information at hand and most importantly of all, if making your model 100% accurate is sucking the fun out of it, then what's the point?

Besides, if we can't find out what's correct, how is average Joe Blogs going to know?

housework? pffftt!!!
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 10:51 PM UTC

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Hi Warren,

I'm more and more becoming a fan of some artistic license myself - after struggling with getting HMS Hood as accurate as I possibly could I realized that I was struggling more and more, almost to the point of stalling. I know that for HMS Hood there are fantastic references out there, books and really good advice from the HMS Hood association. However, it's too much to contemplate all. So I lowered the bar just a little - fairly accurate and correct to the sources yes, but just some artistic license where it seems reasonable or just looks smart or the effort of getting it 100% correct is just overwhelming my abilities

I'd go for the paint scheme you are considering, it looks really good, and leave the deck unpainted (pretty much for the same reason).

Cheers,
Jan



Agree 100% Jan. No one else is going to see my models except friends. I tried a competition once but won't be doing that again as there was just no feedback on the model. I build for me and the enjoyment I get in the build therefore I am in no way a rivet counter as life is just too short.

Anyway, a quick update.. Did some more work on the 45' launches..





Only got a few minutes this afternoon as I had house work to do before my Wife got home from work.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 04:44 PM UTC
Hi Warren,

I'm more and more becoming a fan of some artistic license myself - after struggling with getting HMS Hood as accurate as I possibly could I realized that I was struggling more and more, almost to the point of stalling. I know that for HMS Hood there are fantastic references out there, books and really good advice from the HMS Hood association. However, it's too much to contemplate all. So I lowered the bar just a little - fairly accurate and correct to the sources yes, but just some artistic license where it seems reasonable or just looks smart or the effort of getting it 100% correct is just overwhelming my abilities

I'd go for the paint scheme you are considering, it looks really good, and leave the deck unpainted (pretty much for the same reason).

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 12:14 PM UTC
Hi Jan.

Thanks for the welcome back.

I was just looking at Google and there is a nice, clear picture of the Rodney with the camo scheme but lovely wooden decks! SOlves that problem si I can use the lovely wooden deck with the camo scheme, but not the one in the painting guide as it is a bit inaccurate... or maybe I will just take a little artistic licence..

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 06:34 AM UTC
Hi Warren!

I'm joining late, but I'm in and following, of course!!

Great to see you posting here again, and back with such a fantastic build! That's great! And the kit and the Pontos stuff look really cool. Lot's of those things look a bit like upscaled from 1/350 but with much more detail. Those winches are awesome. And the PomPoms - wow. Those weapons are really special, the amount of detail that goes into them in the big scale is amazing!! And the Oerlikons... and...

Well, silly put, a great start and I am looking forward to following your build!!

Cheers,
Jan