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1/200 HMS Rodney with Pontos Stuff
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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 - 10:54 PM UTC
Thanks heaps for that Simon. Wood they are then!

I was going to put up a video but I think it may be too large for the site. Oh well. I started on the ship's boats and began with the 45' launches. Each had to have a few small pieces removed from the top of the boat and the rudder and prop removed from the bottom..





Then the PE started and I bent up the floor as directed..



One of the side pieces broke off bu that was OK as you won't see it after everything else goes on. Then I placed the thwarts assembly in place..



These are the bits I was asking about, whether painted or stained timber. Then I painted what I think are the wooden parts of the boat pieces..



And this is how they one looks with the floor and interior of the boat painted.



That's it for this weekend.

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Warren
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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 - 09:06 PM UTC
Hi Warren,

Had a dig through my references, Only one clear overhead shot of Rodney,(Raven & Roberts p271). The interior of the open boats appear to one light colour so I would assume they are painted one colour.

Note on the gun shields on the 4.7", they were fitted to Rodney, but sometime between Mid '42 August 43 Looking at the fit in the kit I would assume it certainly post Boston refit. sept 41 and before the August 43 refit.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 - 06:06 PM UTC
OK it is your turn for some input.

The 45 ft motor launches used on the Rodney, and probably lots of other large ships as well, were the thwarts wooden finish or painted?

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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 - 09:52 AM UTC

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Warren,

Nice work on the 20 mm and winches. The 20mm PE seems to be just like a set I assembled in 1/350 scale. It was a struggle for me to get them correct at that small scale. I hope at 1/200 scale they were easier to handle and assemble.

Mark



1/200 is much easier Mark. I remember building sixty one 1/350 version for my North Carolina. Urgh...

Got a bit more done yesterday on the 4.7in mounts. Here is the gun cradle bent as required and the side panels fitted,



Then I attached what looks like a motor to the front of the base.



And attached another couple of parts to the cradle, the 'L' shaped parts.



I also attached a few more pieces which are too small to really take good photos of, then I found a mistake in the Pontos instructions. They show pictures of this mount with some sort of turret around it whereas the Rodney didn't have the turret assembly IIRC. Maybe they just copied the Nelson instructions for this part.

Anyway, until later today,.

Warren
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Posted: Saturday, June 30, 2018 - 12:34 AM UTC
Warren,

Nice work on the 20 mm and winches. The 20mm PE seems to be just like a set I assembled in 1/350 scale. It was a struggle for me to get them correct at that small scale. I hope at 1/200 scale they were easier to handle and assemble.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2018 - 10:36 PM UTC

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Very nice Warren,

The 20mm look really good indeed, did you remove the ends before rolling up the snails and refit them?

Cheers

Si



No need for that using my method mate.




Thanks Wareen,

Then, when I get onto one the really big beasts I give your method a go.

Cheers for the tip

Si
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC

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Very nice Warren,

The 20mm look really good indeed, did you remove the ends before rolling up the snails and refit them?

Cheers

Si



No need for that using my method mate.
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Posted: Friday, June 29, 2018 - 05:54 AM UTC
Very nice Warren,

The 20mm look really good indeed, did you remove the ends before rolling up the snails and refit them?

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 05:59 PM UTC
Thanks guys. Simon, I was wondering why they included the o.5in Vickers when they had the 20mm Oerlikons mounted. Oh well, I have ordered four 3D printed versions that look extremely good on the Shapeways website. The kit ones lack most detail and the shield looks totally crap.
Anyway, next are the thirteen 20mm cannons. The basic parts are as shown here..



But there are a further three parts you attach to the base of the gun..





I started with the cradle and shield..



I added the shield to the support arms like so.





Then it was the gun's turn.There are a few really tight bends that require a bit of lateral thinking to get them right, like using a knife as a support..







Next you add the barrel, which is actually hollow..





Then the base assembly was added to the cradle and left to dry thoroughly.

After that the gun assy was added to the cradle.





Last but not least was the magazines. This required annealing to make it easier to curve. After annealing it it was curved using a steel rod from my bending kit..









And you end up with 13 little snails..





With that done I started on the4.9 inch guns. First you modify the kits plastic breech assy..



.. and base assy..



Then you glue the Pontos brass barrels in the hole provided by Pontos.



I wish all plastic manufacturers would do this with all their guns. Makes it easy to line them up correctly. Then you bend and attach some more PE to the gun..



And yet some more PE is glued together to replace the plastic piece you removed before.





Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 02:59 PM UTC
Yes mate I received it. I thought I had replied.. sorry.

Big update tonight as the site wasn't working properly.
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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 02:08 PM UTC
excellent winch work, Warren

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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 07:57 AM UTC
Hi Warren,

Great work on the winches, they will look excellent in place.

I am reckoning Pontos are correcting a fit error in the kit, I am fairly certain the quad 0.5" were removed in when she finally got to the US, certainly before she had all six pompoms fitted. Pontos, I believe provide parts for the AA director platforms that replaced them.


Personally I am glad they Trumpy included them and their platforms, if ever get one of there the plan would be build her as she was on 27th May 1941. (If I can find the pictures of her on or before that day.

Cheers

Si
Cheers

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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2018 - 12:35 AM UTC


Warren,

Those winches are AWESOME! Little kits in themselves, really - I hope they don't get lost among all the other details on deck.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 11:20 PM UTC
Back again to update everyone for today. Yes I had a day at the bench as I have had salmonella food poisoning for the last week but haven't told anyone except my Wife that I was unwell, Problem is I wasn't getting any better so I went to the doctors. Feeling much better and don't have to attend the throne every hour or so. Has a day off work and decided to make the most of it at the bench.

I continued on following the instructions and folded up one type of the numerous ammo boxes and lockers..



Next up were the 0.2in Quad Vickers guns. Oddly Pontos provide no brass for this in this set but the HMS Hood set has four of them provided. I put them together except for the PE..



Then looked so lame I decided to have a look online and Shapeways have beautifully printed sets inline. I ordered a sit and we shall see how good they are. I didn't do anymore on the plastic ones. Shame on you Pontos for not providing at least brass barrels!

Will continue tomorrow.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 - 11:07 PM UTC
Hello everyone.

SO what was wrong with the site? Wouldn't load for a couple of days. Anyway..

Next up in the fabulous Rodney show is the construction of six small winches. Each winch in just over 10mm in length and abut 5mm in length but they have more than 15 parts in each of them. First step is to glue too pieces of PE together to form the base of the winch..



After this you need to assemble the motor from two pieces of PE and one of the plastic kit parts after you have put two small bends into the ends of the motor assembly..



Then they get attached to the sides of the kit's plastic motor..



As you can see the PE parts increase the detail markedly. Next you need to curve some PE to place over the outside of the motor. To make it easier to curve this slightly thicker PE you need to anneal it first. This is done by heating it until it changes colour. See the one on the left has changed to lots of colours..


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After that you can curve them much more easily using the curving tools I showed earlier and you get a cover for the motor that goes on the outside and adds more detail to the little winch.





Next is what looks like some sort of control item part way along the shaft which gets folded in half and the threaded onto another plastic piece from the kit and after adding a couple of tiny spacers the whole lot gets pushed through the motor and attached to the base plate.



The you find the brass winch pully, trim it up a little and add it to the plastic part..





Next up is an assembly that folds up into a couple of boxes on a bracket that pipes go into from the base.



You attach that and the little control wheel to the control piece in the middle and the box to the end of the motor..



Next up you cut the tiny pipes off and add them to the box and base and it is finished. The pipes are a little two dimensional but I am sure it won't be noticeable once the winch is attached to the deck.



This item is a great example of how PE can enhance the details of an item far above what can be provided by just plastic parts.

That's it for now.

Cheers,

Warren
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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2018 - 08:24 AM UTC

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Warren,

Your organizational skills do you credit - and will probably save your sanity as things progress on this awesome build!



I was thinking more as a safety issue. More than once I sat a bottle of glue or something on the edge of those metal trays and launched assembled PE parts all over the work bench and floor.

Mark



I have been known to knock over CA accelerator bottle before.. tall, narrow with a heavy top.. Now I am careful to put it and CA glue out of the way totally.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2018 - 08:23 AM UTC

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Hi Warren,

Do wonder with aftermarket manufacturers sometimes, etched ammo boxes are great if you wanted to show them empty, or if the kit parts are bland, but in this scale... do the rounds look a bit two dimensional?

What Tim said about your organisation. I spend far too much time hunting round the bench for which little box / tub / pot I have put something in.

Cheers

Si




Hi Simon.

Now all I have to do is hunt through lots of little resealable bags for turned brass bits..

And yes, the rounds do look a little 2D but again, the scale makes that the reality. A dab of paint on the shells will make them pop later.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2018 - 08:20 AM UTC

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Warren,

Your organizational skills do you credit - and will probably save your sanity as things progress on this awesome build!



Thanks Tim.



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Posted: Sunday, June 24, 2018 - 12:22 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 09:18 PM UTC

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Warren,

Your organizational skills do you credit - and will probably save your sanity as things progress on this awesome build!



I was thinking more as a safety issue. More than once I sat a bottle of glue or something on the edge of those metal trays and launched assembled PE parts all over the work bench and floor.

Mark
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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 09:05 PM UTC
Hi Warren,

Do wonder with aftermarket manufacturers sometimes, etched ammo boxes are great if you wanted to show them empty, or if the kit parts are bland, but in this scale... do the rounds look a bit two dimensional?

What Tim said about your organisation. I spend far too much time hunting round the bench for which little box / tub / pot I have put something in.

Cheers

Si

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Posted: Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 01:19 PM UTC
Warren,

Your organizational skills do you credit - and will probably save your sanity as things progress on this awesome build!