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Takom #2113 M60A1 w/ERA USMC
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 07:10 AM UTC
Here is another hog from B Co, 1st Tk Bn, the same outfit in the picture Marc posted taken at MCAGCC 29 Palms, CA.



It also has aluminum roadwheels/idlers and the ERA Dummy Tiles are making their presence known on the bottom row. The Velcro to attach MILES is also visible.

I found the picture on the web it may be a picture from a Concord book.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 06:58 AM UTC
Howdy all, that first pic of three that Jason posted, CARC Sand hog with Green ERA, Camo net on the mantlet/barrel was Gunny Schofield's original tank upon arrival KSA August 1990. 3rd Plt was Task Organized early 1991 as C Co Breach Platoon. They swapped that tank with the XO for his Blade tank. The Marine in the white Long John top is Cpl Frank Anderson whose flickr album the photos were harvested from.

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Posted: Monday, August 13, 2018 - 01:07 PM UTC
Great background info Mike...always great to hear about the real reasons tank crews name their rides.
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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 03:32 PM UTC
Howdy Jason, 'Genesis II' is also featured as a marking option in the #2113 kit. The Genesis II refers to crew members of C-51, and others, believing that our Company Commander Capt. Ed Dunlap had an uncanny resemblance to Phil Collins!

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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 07:07 AM UTC
I hadn't seen any posts previously about the restoration of "Genesis II"...markings included in the Tamiya USMC M60A1 w/ ERA.

The restoration and display 1:1 display diorama was in the works when I visited the National Museum of the Marine Corps in August 2017. It is fantastic to see so much effort is being made to get the details correct.

https://www.marines.mil/News/News-Display/Article/641985/mdmc-restores-historical-artifacts-for-corps-national-museum/
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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 04:42 AM UTC
Howdy Jason, I had not used 'Shield' in any of my searches, only 'Storm'. What a difference a word makes. The Flickr site album belongs to Francis Anderson who was the Gunner on that C Co Blade tank. He also has pics from Gunnery at 29 Palms pre-1990. And good images of an experimental paint/scheme that was crew applied to some of our NATOflage hogs to make them more less conspicuous out on the desert. That hiveminer search engine is impressive. "Tanks" for the tip.

Howdy John I, the green tiles on the 3rd Plt Tanks pictured above are Service tiles. Greg Smith of "American Express" fame commented previously that his hog did not have the full compliment of Service ERA tiles. His recollections of DS/DS is in the old Concord book 'Sword In The Sand'.

Hola Pablo, yes that C Co 3rd Plt Blade tank facing the T-55 and the M60A1 Blade without the ERA are one in the same. This hog also had the ERA package applied in KSA. The T-55 and Blade tank were posed facing each other to use as a back drop for Platoon and Company pictures along 6th Ring Road. SW downtown Kuwait City near the Agricultural School Citrus Grove. The picture with the ERA removed is at the Port of Al Jubail in KSA prior to turning in the tanks for embark and retrograde to the USA. In the links you provided the albums have many interesting subjects. "Tank"-you for posting them.

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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 03:11 AM UTC
I found these two photos. I think that they are the same M60 and it was in Desert Storm painted in camouflage scheme, not completely painted in desert sand. Regards.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153864156@N03/24717864668/in/album-72157667434517419/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153864156@N03/27511867169/in/album-72157667434517419/

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Posted: Sunday, August 12, 2018 - 02:34 AM UTC
Thought I read somewhere that many of the Marine M60's were fitted with dummy tiles? Maybe that would explain the green ones in the pics above?
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2018 - 10:24 AM UTC
Hi Mike,

Fantastic info on history related to the pics. It was just a search I did for images using "USMC M60A1 Desert Shield".

I found images on the page link below. There are a couple of other images of the dozer tank recovery from different angles.

https://hiveminer.com/Tags/marine%2Ctanks/Timeline
Removed by original poster on 08/11/18 - 04:45:09 (GMT).
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 01:25 PM UTC
Howdy Jason nice find man! Those are some neat images.
The bottom two pics are C Co 3rd Tanks. The platoon group pictured is 3rd Plt. The Plt Sgt was GySgt Schofield who is kneeling at the left of the Platoon picture as viewed. The blade tank is C-34, TC Gunny Schofield. We were rolling with a custom TO&E!
The C Co M88A1 C-53 and most likely the Bravo Company VTR are shoving the left track back over to C-34. By the time we crossed LoD in February C-53 had sand bags secured with commo wire covering the crew compartment from the fenders to the top of the superstructure.
The Blade tanks came off the MPS boats with Aluminum Roadwheels to offset weight added by the Blade kit. All those green ERA tiles were painted some kind of sand, tan or brown before LD.
May I ask which site you found these fantastic pictures on? I was in 1st Platoon and have not seen most of those 3rd Plt faces since 1992.
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 11:11 AM UTC
Great to hear this kit is shaping up to be a winner.

I've noticed a few variations of paint schemes that might make for some interesting models.

Desert Tan with the green ERA tiles...nice contrast. December 1990 is the date for the pics.





This one is cool...It looks like Grey Desert MERDC on the tank, clean new looking ERA tiles, nice bare metal on the dozer blade, various green and tan aluminum roadwheels. The M88 is Grey Desert MERDC too. Pic is captioned as Desert Shield.

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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 10:47 AM UTC
Howdy Jim, long time no see'um or hear'um. It is pretty nice, I too like the mud relief holes in the sprocket hubs. The rubber band tracks connecting with a pin is also a novel approach.
A huge plus is has all the complicated mounting brackets for the ERA that everyone always wished for!;^) I cannot wait to see your build of one next year in Buffalo.

Ryan, maybe the A Co 4th Tanks Jugheads have a FB page? Or Pinterest? It would be neat to see how those tanks actually looked once they came ashore. Please share whatever you find.


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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 11:24 PM UTC

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Howdy Ryan, I imagine that if A Co 4th Tanks used 1st Tanks left behind hogs then you could model one similar to the one Marc posted. In 1990 there were also tri-color NATOflage machines at 1st Tanks. If you are not modeling from a picture its your call Amigo!

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Tanks again.

Your intel helped with a better google search to find this for 4th and 5th MEB.

https://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/U.S.%20Marines%20in%20the%20Persian%20Gulf,%201990-1991_With%20Marine%20Forces%20Afloat%20in%20Desert%20Shield%20and%20Desert%20Storm%20%20PCN%2019000314500_1.pdf

Now to find useable photos.
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 05:42 PM UTC
Mumbo! Thanks for the heads up, saw one at the LHS and grabbed it today. Never did get the Brave Tiger kit, but I am impressed with the one piece drive hub with the holes molded into (out of?) it already! Looks like a solid kit.

Jim
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 11:28 AM UTC
Howdy Ryan, I imagine that if A Co 4th Tanks used 1st Tanks left behind hogs then you could model one similar to the one Marc posted. In 1990 there were also tri-color NATOflage machines at 1st Tanks. If you are not modeling from a picture its your call Amigo!

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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 09:34 AM UTC
Outstanding info Mike, tanks.

Would be safe to say the paint was probably summer MERDC for CONUS tank and paint the deployed similar to the photo posted above or would it be overall sand?
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 05:40 AM UTC
Ted, please read my opening sentence. The texture of the castings is not exaggerated like a recent offering.

Robert, great seeing you on the net.

Dan and James, the ERA for the M60A1 was just a convenient survivability upgrade while awaiting the Common version of the M1A1 to be produced. The M1A1 Common for the USMC was planned to be fielded FY 91(October, 1990). The only ERA TM I have ever seen was behind the squirrel cage of one of eleven US Army M60A3s that the USMC acquired in KSA January 1991. None of them even had the ERA mounts yet a manual was present.

Alfred, you are making me use my brain. Lots of rust to bust. I recall A Co 4th Tanks sailed with BLT 3/5 as part of 5th Marine Expeditionary Brigade. They got to go on the big UXO Police Call after the two way range went cold.

Ryan, the 2113 kit has plenty of Vee and Inverted Vee markings to make your generic A Co hog. Off the top of my head to back date you shall need to move the Smoke Grenade stowage boxes/Jerrycan mounts to the turret sides, lower the Smoke Grenade Launchers, remove the turret top side interrupter bars, add grunt rails to the turret sides and add the tow cable keepers and clips to the lower turret sides. Probably a couple more items that escape me at the moment.


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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 11:15 PM UTC

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A Co 4thtks Did not have ERA or mounts on their Hogs that is why they used the tanks left by 1st Tks. As for where they landed at Desert Storm, I do not know. I can ask one of them. I do know they off loaded after the start of the ground war.



Thanks for the info. I was rereading Oscar Gilberts book Tank Battles in the Middle East.
https://www.amazon.com/Marine-Corps-Tank-Battles-Middle/dp/1612002676

It did mention A Co taking 1st Tanks tanks but not why or the condition of the tanks at Miramar. It did mention they went West and stop in the Philippines. They had the DWFK kit installed when landing but not when they departed from the rear area just as both you and Mike stated. I didn't read far enough to see where their adventures took them and with who.

Did see this for M1A1 of B Co 4th Tanks DS https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=22dc631bdf5649ce8bfd5f6fc504f42c


Mike,

You mentioned "This kit will be easily backdated to a non-ERA hog". Since it appears A Co tanks CONUS was non-ERA would it a simple as not installing the brackets to make this tank or is there more details to making a non-ERA hog?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 11:11 PM UTC
Has anybody seen the actual M60 kit from Takom yet? I'm hoping its a good kit without the over exaggerated casting molding as done by AFV.

I'm also hoping for a straight M60 and both the A2 and A3 versions in the near future from Takom. I'm still setting on several Tamiya M60A1, A2 and A3 kits... Never too happy with them since the hulls ride way too high, IMHO. They will just sit in my collection.

Being a retired Army 19E/19K, I'm glad that the M60 is now getting some love and respect it deserves!!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 04:02 PM UTC

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I hate to bump in here, with all these Marines, as I was US Army.


But does the Italeri M60 Blazer kit any good for a build?



It used to be touted by many on this site as the best out there - until the AFV Club kit came along. Still a fine kit with very minor work, and can be had for about 1/6 the price. Mine aren't going anywhere.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 03:37 PM UTC
A Co 4thtks Did not have ERA or mounts on their Hogs that is why they used the tanks left by 1st Tks. As for where they landed at Desert Storm, I do not know. I can ask one of them. I do know they off loaded after the start of the ground war.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 12:09 PM UTC
I hate to bump in here, with all these Marines, as I was US Army.


But does the Italeri M60 Blazer kit any good for a build?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 11:38 AM UTC
Howdy Marc, that is one raggedy hog, I love it! 3rd Plt, B Co, 1st Tk Bn out of Camp Pendleton. It is shown at MCAGCC (Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center) Twenty-nine Palms, CA aka "The Stumps". 1st Tanks always lowboyed their hogs up to the Hi-desert for CAXs (Combined Arms Exercise) instead of using 3rd Tanks machines as rental tanks.
You can see the Summer Verdant MERDC hiding under those dummy ERA tiles. Looking at the patch paint on the Bore Evacuator it is awaiting a new moniker. The clamp to keep the accordion portion of the main gun barrel/mantlet cover in place has failed.
The oval slot of the bottom row of ERA ID them as being Dummy tiles. The turret lower side tiles had to be removed in order to remove the Power pack for service. Re-installing them backwards with the oval outboard was common. The right fender has seen better days. The headlights are also not mounted. SOP was to keep them stowed inside until needed.
You are welcome for the conversation Jim, I am glad to have been able to finally find out some insight regarding Greg's experience in the Sand Box.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 11:28 AM UTC

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I’m wondering while the Marines got that ERA on their tanks but the Army not?
I’m sure they would have helped if the ballon went up when I was on A3s in 1AD in West Germany.
Dan



If I remember correctly, that whole set up was for the army, for tanks deployed to S. Korea. Somehow they wound up with the USMC. Someone with the rest of the story should chime in here...