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phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 03:03 AM UTC
Those are some interesting photos. On black and white it certainly does look like sand over grey due to the contrast. Colourizing reveals something different.
I suppose the best thing is to think about the dates the photos were taken (if indeed we can get a date.
Given me a lot to think about and like British desert vehicles, lots of interesting finish options!

I picked up the paints today and tested them on some scrap. The difference between the early and late shades is not something I expected. RAL8020 and 7027 are very pale compared to the early colours. I'm going to enjoy building and painting these old kits.

Thanks again for everyones help.
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 10:41 AM UTC
Who are you referring to when you say 'we'? I always thought of vehicles in Africa being painted to suit the terrain; I actually learned the initial wave of vehicles were standard dark gray only about eight years ago, and I am 54 now.
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 10:36 AM UTC
This is what makes modeling vehicles from the North African Campaign so much fun. The variety in finishes seen is astounding and offers so much potential.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 12:49 PM UTC
sPzAbt.501s Tigers were intital production and were built right after the change in regs. But common practice was use up existing stocks first. Actually some had 8020 parts ... storage bin and air filters ... being add on parts.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 10:10 AM UTC

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When they began painting desert camo at the factory, in the early part of the war it would be RAL 8000 with RAL 7008 covering about a third of it as the camo pattern. In March 1942 that was switched to RAL 8020 with RAL 7027 as the 1/3 color.



This post got me confused. Shouldn't it be other way around? I mean, Tiger was brand new, and it was painted RAL 8000 / RAL 7008. which means that it was official scheme at that moment?




It is confusing. Based on the timeline, Tigers should have been painted RAL 8020 with RAL 7027 camo. Instead Tigers were painted in the original tropen colors. I also believe Pz III N's from sPzAbt 501 were also RAL 8000/7008.

Note that the 8000/7008 combo was better suited for the terrain in northern Tunisia.
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phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 04:51 AM UTC
Sorry BogiBg, I probably caused a bit of confusion with the wording of my question.

You and everyone have been a big help and those references photos are great. Those jerrycan racks on the 251 are certainly something I will try to add.

I might try a weathered and worn early finish on the Panzer II and a later RAL8020 & 7027 finish on the 251.

Thanks for the help

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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 02:45 AM UTC
And... based on time frame those brand new 251's could have, maybe, been painted in Dark Yellow. That's somewhat of a stretch, but plausible knowing DY was coming as a base color for all vehicles anyway.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 12:21 AM UTC

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RAL8000 & 7008




No, that's RAL 8020 with RAL 7008 added as camo. That photo was from the Tunisian campaign and those 251's were brand new.
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phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 12:38 PM UTC

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In that case, since Tamiya Panzer II is ausf. F and Sd.Kfz. 251 is ausf. C, you can go for factory painted Ral 8000, without gray under. Now, I can't tell you which colour to use for Ral 8000 because I use only Revell Aqua. Maybe someone can help?



Thanks. I'll keep that in mind as one thing I wanted to try was sand blasted chipped paint down to the dark grey. Maybe another time perhaps.

I've had a look and it does appear that Mig do all of those suggested colours straight out of the bottle. I'll also make a note of mixing suggestions to vary the finishes.
The colours are a lot more subtlety different to each other than I would have thought. I'm a lot more used to british dessert schemes that had far more contrasting colours. Stone and black for example.

I'll pick up some RAL8000 & 7008 at the weekend and see how it turns out. Just need to research the cammo schemes.

Thanks for the help.