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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 08:42 AM UTC

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M-110 , M-107 the trailer used to tow the Ammo,Huey in 1/35 scale.Better M 551, Gasoline truck.


Cheers

Jeff



Tamiya and RFM are doing the Sheridan again. The Tamiya looks to be RVN issue, there maybe one issue. Won't comment till I have the kit in my hands. The RFM kit is really ODS, but looks like everything is in the box to build an earlier version. I'll get both kits.

I never saw the trailer used with the M110 / M107. I have seen one or two very large open trailers used by 155 outfits. Most gasoline I saw moved was via blivit, but have seen three or four eighteen wheelers in convoys. We need the rubber blivits in all sizes!!
Gary



Like your Ideas Gary, did not Verlinden do a Rubber bladder in 1/35 scale?

Blivit is 10 pounds in a 9 pound bag.

This trailer.



Used along with the M-107's and M-110s as you know.


And this gas tanker.



Trailer I would like in plastic. M-332



And oops somebody has some digging to do.




That trailer looks like the one we had. Never saw it used but a couple times to haul sand bags and gravel. Where it came from I don't know as it must have came from Bragg with my outfit.

The only way they're gonna get that APC out is with two M88's and several charges of C4 to break the suction from the mud. Seen this happen too many times.
Gary
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 08:49 AM UTC

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M-110 , M-107 the trailer used to tow the Ammo,Huey in 1/35 scale.Better M 551, Gasoline truck.


Cheers

Jeff



Tamiya and RFM are doing the Sheridan again. The Tamiya looks to be RVN issue, there maybe one issue. Won't comment till I have the kit in my hands. The RFM kit is really ODS, but looks like everything is in the box to build an earlier version. I'll get both kits.

I never saw the trailer used with the M110 / M107. I have seen one or two very large open trailers used by 155 outfits. Most gasoline I saw moved was via blivit, but have seen three or four eighteen wheelers in convoys. We need the rubber blivits in all sizes!!
Gary



Like your Ideas Gary, did not Verlinden do a Rubber bladder in 1/35 scale?

Blivit is 10 pounds in a 9 pound bag.

This trailer.



Used along with the M-107's and M-110s as you know.


And this gas tanker.



Trailer I would like in plastic. M-332



And oops somebody has some digging to do.




By the way blivits came in several sizes. The smaller ones were for drinking water. Bigger ones for diesel fuel. Base camps still got 55 gallon fuel drums. Never saw a blivit with Mogas in it.
Also noticed the load of fused up rounds. Cardnal sin with a two hundred pound round! You roll them off the truck or trailer, and then fuse them up. Very dangerous toman handle a fused up round.
Gary
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:49 AM UTC
My two cents worth for two kits that outta be coming out soon...
The Aussie M114
The NVA Type 63 amphibious tank
And could Masterbox continue adding to their great line up inscale well detailed Vietnam figure lets
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 10:18 AM UTC

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That’s one sexy calendar



They are available here, https://www.oldcarsbookstore.com/2019-military-vehicles-calendar-r9242



Thanks! Ordering one today after work
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 10:54 AM UTC

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Very nice vehicle! Was that taken above or below the bridge?


Picture was taken last New Years Day in my driveway to my house in the lower peninsula.

Here is the original pic

I had them out of the garage for a mid winter warm up.

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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 11:44 AM UTC
Dave What part of Michigan? Contrary to what state is id'd for me I am from Flint MI
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 12:51 PM UTC

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Very nice vehicle! Was that taken above or below the bridge?


Picture was taken last New Years Day in my driveway to my house in the lower peninsula.




I thought as much. I saw more snow in Midland than in Marquette - it was actually too cold up there for snow the year Lake Superior froze over.
Once again, Really nice vehicles you have there.
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V100 USAF security police
a decent m50 Ontos
US in RVN
K9 patrol handlers and dog
c119 stinger !

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Dave What part of Michigan? Contrary to what state is id'd for me I am from Flint MI



West Coast, I'm in the Silver Lake/Pentwater area just about a 1/2 mile of Lake Michigan.
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 05:33 AM UTC

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I would very much welcome an all new
M108
M109 early

Then some M113's based on AFV Club's ACAV kit;
M132 Zippo
M113 with M74C turret
Aussie M113 with T50 turret
M163 Vulcan
ARVN M113 with large mg shield
M557

All with decent interior, please

Actually, I do not really mind if these come from aftermarket firms, but I see a good job for AFV Club




Hello Theo, you already got the M108 3d printed available
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Posted: Monday, December 17, 2018 - 08:47 AM UTC
I cannot possibly be the only person who thinks the M108 is, ahem, under endowed, compared to the M109. Like M109 (and M107 and M110) gunners have to just laugh at the poor little M108.
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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.
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NVA armor.
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I personally would like for someone to produce a new HU-1A or UH-1B in 1/48 and 1/35 scale. The only ones that are comparable are the early (80's) Monogram/Testors kits which are no where to today's standards. I have tried to shorten a Monogram UH-1b unit tail to get the right length with limited success and a lot of filler. I still need to re-scribe the rivets along the tail, but it has been for not as all of the other details are lacking for a correct Huey A unit. I'd also like to see Dragon do a M-60 AVLB since they already have the platform for the AVLB and the M-60's.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all,
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Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - 08:55 AM UTC

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I cannot possibly be the only person who thinks the M108 is, ahem, under endowed, compared to the M109. Like M109 (and M107 and M110) gunners have to just laugh at the poor little M108.



I learned to drive on the m108. It was already being replaced at the time. No spare parts or anything else unless it was used on the m109. If I remember right there only two battalions using them in RVN.

I've been trained on all mentioned above, and the only good one was the m110. The 175 was super inaccurate, and super expensive to fire one round. Barrel life was eighty zone three rounds. The m110 was super accurate, but also slow to shoot. The m109 was ok, but really not all that great either. Shot too slow for a good zone sweep (all SPG are that way). Accuracey was good, but not as good as a towed gun. Nice thing about was the turret giving a quick azmuth change, but that's about two and a half minutes on the towed gun. But you did keep head dry while shooting! The m108 was just not enough of everything.
Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - 09:05 AM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - 12:41 PM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary




Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
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Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - 11:33 AM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary




Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin



The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - 12:53 PM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary




Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin



The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!



Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin
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Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2018 - 11:04 AM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary




Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin



The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!



Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin

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Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2018 - 11:04 AM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary




Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin



The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!



Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin


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Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2018 - 11:22 AM UTC

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You can put a higher volume of 105 downrange more quickly. Sometimes biggest isn't best.



In RVN, the zone sweep was King. A box with nine targets. The faster you put the nine rounds on target, the better the chances of success. Can't do that very well with the SPG. Too slow. A typical 105 crew will put nine rounds in the air before the first impact if the Gunner and loader are good. A good 155 towed gun will do the same, but more accurately. So figure nine rounds in sixty seconds, while the SPG shoots three a minute.
Gary




Things have evolved in the last decade or so
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System
"
Armament: 155-mm/L52 gun howitzer, Kongsberg Protector remote weapon system.
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds/min in Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact-mode, which means that several shells are fired in succession with different trajectories so they hit the target simultaneously.
Weapon range (main gun): 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
"3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min"
"
The MSTA-S (2S19) is also reported at 8-9 rounds/minute, but I do not know if this is correct or not.

M109 A6 three rounds/minute sustained for 3 minutes

/ Robbin



The new howitzers are too slow to fill the box in orderly fashion. Typically, a zone sweep puts 54 rounds in the box over roughly 90 seconds. You just can't get there with the new stuff. The other guy simply walks out of the zone!



Ummm, 54 rounds in 90 seconds, can that be done with a single gun?
"The 105 mm howitzer M102 is a lightweight towed weapon, which has a very low silhouette when in the firing position. The M102 howitzer fires a 33 lb (15 kg) projectile of semifixed ammunition and at charge 7 will fire 11,500 meters. It has a muzzle velocity of 494 metres per second (1,620 ft/s). The maximum rate of fire is 10 rounds per minute for the first 3 minutes, with a sustained rate of 3 rounds per minute."
The Archer can deliver a full magazine, 20 rounds in 2.5 minutes.

The M109 may be slow but other, modern, SPG's are faster.
Comparing 9 rounds of 105 with 9 rounds of 155 also gives a slightly skewed result. The M102 would get off 15 rounds in the first 90 seconds, so 4 guns would be needed to reach those 54 rounds (4 x 15 = 60)
The radius of the "footprint" of a 155 mm airburst is approximately 50% larger, the area covered by the airburst is a little bit over twice as large.
In theory the same area could be covered by half the number of rounds.
Maybe the M102 is faster to traverse to move the aimpoint across the zone but the modern SPG's shoot according to a preprogrammed firing plan and they traverse/elevate rather quickly (the Archer manages close to 45 degrees in 5 seconds). Doing a zone sweep shouldn't require that much traversing or elevating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh69tDhGblw
In this video-clip an M119 delivers 9 rounds in 45 seconds
(first bang to someone yelling rounds complete) but the loader falls over so they would probably have done it in 40 seconds. Assume 1 round every 4.5 seconds. Getting 54 rounds airborne would take 4 minutes and 3 seconds.
With 3 guns it would take 81 seconds, the 155 could get the same ground coverage with 27 or 30 rounds so two Archer guns would be enough.

I'm just an amateur and you have been shooting for real so I will take your word for it
Over & out / Robin





A typical towed howitzer battery is six guns. Nine targets times six gives you 54 rounds in the box. Six gun units are commonly split into two three gun batteries working thru the same FDC, and this will give you 27 rounds in the box. A good 155 crew will be calling " bore clear" before the first impact. A towed M102 is slightly faster, but then again about ten to fifteen seconds faster. The older guns were slower as they displaced all over the place. In other words you were constant correcting, and then moving to the next target. The 155 sat on a true three points, and moved once. The M102 was at it's best firing high angle fire. Probably the best.
Gary
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Wanted to add another one to the 1/35th scale Vietnam War subject wish list:

The 1963 Citroën 2CV AZAM as seen (and destroyed) in the surfing attack in "Apocalypse Now"...

Happy New Year!

With Regards and Aloha,

Johnny B.