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Pyro USS Constellation build
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 05:18 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

Interesting photos, Looks like USN seamen got better rations than their RN contemporaries.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 05:36 PM UTC
Thanks guys. Seeing it on the model, I think that the copper hull will work just fine. That blue-green color would surely have been a cause of seasickness...!




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Tim, I'm not sure when they painted that awful green color on the hull-- I visited the Constellation in Baltimore Harbor with my Wife, Sister-in-law and our kids way back in 1991, and I don't remember anything but a black painted hull near the waterline. It was an interesting trip-- turned out we were the only visitors on the ship at the time, and the docent there gave us a great tour-- the ship was undergoing renovation, and the lower decks were almost completely empty. The only deck space that had anything in it was the aft cabin, which had been turned into a work/restoration area. I noticed a US Army "steel pot" helmet on one of the lockers, and since I was an active duty Major at the time, asked the docent about it. He told me it was his- he was a Reserve Lieutenant Colonel- and he wore it when working on the lower decks, since the overhead was so low he was tired of hitting his head all the time!! It's a great ship, and you are building a great model. Can't wait to see it finished.



Russ, thanks for your Constellation story! By the time my dad and I visited the ship in 2010, there were quite a few historical displays on board:

Among my favorites was a sailor’s mess exhibit:

Yum!

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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 05:45 AM UTC
Tim,

I just agree with what everybody else said - the copper looks just right, and some wash will bring out the details perfectly!

Cheers,

Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 - 12:46 AM UTC
Tim,
I agree with the others that the copper look is the right way to go. Love watching you work your magic on these old kits.
John
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Posted: Monday, March 11, 2019 - 11:23 PM UTC

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I went ahead and shot the copper plating detail on the hull bottom with Tamiya acrylic Dark Copper (XF-28).
It came out a little bright, but a dark oil wash should dull it down nicely.



Nice choice Tim
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Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2019 - 04:45 PM UTC
Tim, I'm not sure when they painted that awful green color on the hull-- I visited the Constellation in Baltimore Harbor with my Wife, Sister-in-law and our kids way back in 1991, and I don't remember anything but a black painted hull near the waterline. It was an interesting trip-- turned out we were the only visitors on the ship at the time, and the docent there gave us a great tour-- the ship was undergoing renovation, and the lower decks were almost completely empty. The only deck space that had anything in it was the aft cabin, which had been turned into a work/restoration area. I noticed a US Army "steel pot" helmet on one of the lockers, and since I was an active duty Major at the time, asked the docent about it. He told me it was his- he was a Reserve Lieutenant Colonel- and he wore it when working on the lower decks, since the overhead was so low he was tired of hitting his head all the time!! It's a great ship, and you are building a great model. Can't wait to see it finished.
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Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2019 - 03:14 PM UTC
WOW! Late to the party, but this is a very inspiring build! I may yet tackle a sailing ship.
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Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2019 - 01:35 PM UTC
Very nice colour selection.....Cheers mark
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2019 - 11:56 PM UTC
You have chosen...wisely.

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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2019 - 09:58 PM UTC
Nice, Tim.

The wash will bring out the detail on the sheathing too.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2019 - 05:14 PM UTC
I agree, guys... that hull green is just too ugly - and historically questionable, at best!

The model will be a gift to my father as a memento of our visit to the U.S.S. Constellation museum, but I’m willing to bet he may not even remember that hull color anyway. Plus, he has a print of Constellation hanging in his workshop which shows the original copper hull:



Good enough for me! I went ahead and shot the copper plating detail on the hull bottom with Tamiya acrylic Dark Copper (XF-28).

It came out a little bright, but a dark oil wash should dull it down nicely.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 - 11:03 PM UTC

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That blueish green is not a pleasant colour Tim,

Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.

Good to see you back on this one.

Cheers

Si



I agree with Si

muted/dulled down copper would look much better
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 11:13 AM UTC

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That blueish green is not a pleasant colour Tim,

Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.

Good to see you back on this one.

Cheers

Si



Man, that is one ugly green. Did the navy do it to save money?

Mark
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 08:56 AM UTC
If the logic for using the green were followed to it's logical conclusion, would that not entail scraping off all the molded detail of the copper plating? I wouldn't be up for that, but you've worked magic with the pyro kits I would never have dared attempt.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 07:12 AM UTC
That blueish green is not a pleasant colour Tim,

Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.

Good to see you back on this one.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 12:48 AM UTC
Ok, back on the job with the Constellation’s paint!


In what was apparently an attempt to simulate the look of oxidized copper cladding the ship carried when in service, Constellation museum staff have applied an absolutely GODAWFUL bluish-green color the to the wood below the old waterline.


The copper that once graced the real hull is long gone, although the Pyro model shows it in place. If I stick to my plan to depict the ship as she appears today as a museum, the “copper” detail will have to be painted green. I've mixed up a sample and placed it next to the model in an attempt to get into the idea, but it is so UGLY...


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Posted: Monday, March 04, 2019 - 09:44 PM UTC

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I guess it is the modeling gods’ way of telling me that it’s time to get back to work!



Yes, yes it is, Tim
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Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2019 - 11:51 AM UTC
I’ve been taking a break from the U.S.S. Constellation build of late, but just the other day I happened across a bit of inspiration close to home:


It is part of a 19th Century stepped mast quietly rotting on the dock at the Old Sacramento waterfront. I asked the Park Service folks there if they had any information about it, but the identity of the ship is unknown. They said it was probably a remnant of one of dozens of ships abandoned here and in San Francisco by crews deserting to join the 1849 California Gold Rush...


Anyway, it reminds me of the masts on the preserved U.S.S. Constellation. I guess it is the modeling gods’ way of telling me that it’s time to get back to work!
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 - 03:38 AM UTC



Thanks for the link, Frederick, that is an excellent article! The very first line is a big part of why I'm such a Pyro fan: "Pyro is unique in plastic models because the subjects for kits were not selected by popularity." How unusual is THAT?! Even though there is a certain roughness to these old Pyro kits, I do keep coming back to them...

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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 06:48 PM UTC
Tim, being a Pyro fan, you should like this: The Kits of Pyro Plastic Company - An Illustrated Guide

I also posted it on KitMaker forums GENERAL MODELING.
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 09:01 PM UTC
Hi Tim,

She looks the part with the masts in place.

I am very much enjoying following this build.


Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 10:11 AM UTC
John, Russ, and Jan, thank you for your kind comments! John, in answer to your question, yes, I did open up the muzzles on the deck guns too:

I also added the knobs at the back ends of the barrels, but for the most part I'm trying to keep this build as out-of-the-box as possible!

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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 09:23 AM UTC
Tim,

that's amazing!! You are transforming another of these, let me say rather basic ancient kits, into a jewel!! It is stunning to see what potential some of those old kits have if they're just handled right.

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Friday, January 18, 2019 - 11:26 PM UTC
Tim, I've missed so much!

You've done so much since I last checked in and she's looking great!
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Posted: Friday, January 18, 2019 - 05:59 PM UTC
Tim, she sure is coming together nicely. Really like the paint job. I couldn't tell from the angle of the deck guns in your photo but did you drill out their barrels also? Really loving the look of her.
John