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Why aren't there many French tanks in 1/35
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Posted: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 - 07:53 PM UTC

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In 1/35 there are good kits of the UE tractor, S-35, Char B1 bis, Leclerc, AMX-30, etc.

Tiger models has a lot, including wheeled vehicles.
https://www.scalemates.com/brands/tiger-model--4939




THIS is true- I have those kits, plus the better (from HOBBY BOSS) R-35 and the BRONCO H-38/39s, plus an old MPM(?) HPM(?) Schneider 75mm Howitzer... In case people haven't noticed, WWI and WWII French Army figurines have been on the rise, too...
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 12:57 AM UTC

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Y'all have more selections of French equipment in 1/35 plastic than we do in Braille Scale. We only have a very small handful of options in Braille Scale. I know of the Leclerc from RoG, the 4x4 VAB by Heller Char Bis from Trumpeter and R-35 from S Model. Ace is set to release the Panhard VBL. Count your blessings
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Oh but that's not nearly the full list of kits available in Braille. I think next to every relevant design has been covered:

Ace does
- French 3,5t truck AHN (at least three versions: normal, medical, gas generator)
- French 3,5t truck AHR
- French 25mm Anti-tank gun S.A.L. Mle 1934
- French 25mm Anti-tank gun S.A.L. Mle 1937
- French 47mm Anti-tank gun mod.1937
- Laffly V-15 T (4x4) artillery tractor
- Laffly W15T (6x6) artillery tractor (and a German modified version as an armored SPW)
- Laffly W15T-CC (6x6) - tank hunter
- Panhard M3 armored car (different versions)
- Panhard AML-60
- Panhard AML-90
- ERC-90 'Sagaie'
- ERC-90 F1 'Lynx'
- AMX-13/75 (to be released)

S-Model also has
- Hotchkiss H35 light tank (one in French service, another in German service)
- Hotchkiss H38/39 (one in French service, another in German service)
- Somua S 35
- UE Chenilette (and another version in German service with Pak on top)
See here https://henk.fox3000.com/sModel.htm

Then, there is RPM, doing
- all sorts of FT17 and other WW1 designs,
- all sorts of WW2 designs, such as H35, H38, H39, R35, S 35,
- Lorraine tractors in differnets variants
Check here:
https://henk.fox3000.com/Rpm.htm

Flyhawk does several versions of the Renault FT17 and also the Renault FT31

Heller did all sorts of Frech designs, which still show-up or even have been rereleased in the past few years:
- AMX13 AA Bi-tubes
- AMX 30 AA Bi-tubes
- AMX13 105mm
- Somua S35


If you are willing to build something made from resion, there are plenty more options:
- the excellent comapny OKB Grigorov (https://henk.fox3000.com/okbgrigorov.htm) has covered after war designs:
- AMX-13 light tank
- AMX-50-120 Heavy Tank
- AMX 50 Foch tank hunter
- AMX Mle48 tank hunter
- Batignolles-Chatillon 25t medium tank
- AMX 50-100 (two versions)
- AMX Mle.46 tank hunter
- RetroKit France: numerous WW1 stuff (including softskins, artillery), WW2 era stuff including their German modifications (see here https://henk.fox3000.com/solfig.htm)
- Minitracks (https://henk.fox3000.com/minitracks.htm): more WW2 era stuff, including prototypes
- Modern era stuff such as VAB, VBL, AMX10 etc. by model miniature (http://www.model-miniature.com/category.php?id_category=11)
- the FCM-2C Heavy Tank from Ostmodels
- the products from ITA Sarl (https://henk.fox3000.com/ita.htm)
- Cromwell Models does
- ARL-44 1946
- AMX13/75
- AMX13/90 (also a variant with SS-11 guided missiles)
- recommended company Modelltrans (modelltrans.com) does
- WW1 stuff such as FT17 variants, St. Chamond
- Renault R-40
- Lorraine 37L artielly tractor with APX gun
- FCM-36 light tank
- interesting conversions for WW2 stuff

There is more, but I spent enough time already on this
I guess in comparison Braille-scale is pretty well covered!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 04:31 AM UTC

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It Seems to Me that Some people can't comprehend the Question in the First place, and others know little about the Hobby in general, or even How to use A Search feature in the first place !!!!!!!!! |: Now I will Confess that I am not A Rocket Expert; But It never fails to Amaze me the answer's that some people post !
CHEERS; MIKE.


Down, Boy. Not everyone is equally Internet or forum savvy. Besides, the question has provoked a good discussion and I, for one, have learned a lot.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 05:09 AM UTC

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It Seems to Me that Some people can't comprehend the Question in the First place, and others know little about the Hobby in general, or even How to use A Search feature in the first place !!!!!!!!! |: Now I will Confess that I am not A Rocket Expert; But It never fails to Amaze me the answer's that some people post !
CHEERS; MIKE.


Down, Boy. Not everyone is equally Internet or forum savvy. Besides, the question has provoked a good discussion and I, for one, have learned a lot.



The next moan could come from me about the near total absence of 1/35 models of Swedish armour from the late 1920's to early 1960's
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 07:52 AM UTC
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The next moan could come from me about the near total absence of 1/35 models of Swedish armour from the late 1920's to early 1960's



What? The Swedes actually had some armor during the 1920's - early 60's? Who would have figured that!

Bring that moan ON, Robin!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 08:48 AM UTC
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The next moan could come from me about the near total absence of 1/35 models of Swedish armour from the late 1920's to early 1960's



What? The Swedes actually had some armor during the 1920's - early 60's? Who would have figured that!

Bring that moan ON, Robin!



The armoured vehicles classified as tanks, from 1920 until now:


Strv fm/22 (m/21)
Strv m/21-29
Strv Renault FT 17 ”Putte”
Strv fm/28 (Renault NC 27)
Lätt strv m/Carden-Loyd (MkV)
Lätt strv m/Carden-Loyd (MkVI)
Strv m/31
Strv fm/31
Strv m/37
Strv m/38
Strv m/39



Strv m/40 L
Strv m/40 K
Strv m/41 SI
Strv m/41 SII
Strv m/42 TM
Strv m/42 TH
Strv m/42 TV
Strv m/42 EH
Strv m/42 stril

Strv 74
Strv 74 H
Strv 74 V
Strv 742 V el H
Strv 743 V el H
Strv 81
Strv 101
Strv 101R
Strv 102
Strv 102R
Strv 103A
Strv 103B
Strv 103C
Strv 104

Strv 121
Strv 122
Strv 122B

In addition to that there was a bunch of supporting vehicles (artillery, anti-tank, anti-air, engineers).
https://www.sphf.se/svenskt-pansar/fordon/
Swedish lingo but there are a few images and the designations for all the other stuff.
Some of them were based on the Czech tank which became Pz 38(t) and those are fairly easy conversions.
/ Robin


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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 11:04 AM UTC
My grandmother came from Dalarna in 1906 so I'd be up for a Swedish Stridsvagn m/42.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 11:21 AM UTC
The correct spelling is 'Dalarna', only one 'l'.
Do you know which part of Dalarna she came from?
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 11:27 AM UTC

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The correct spelling is 'Dalarna', only one 'l'.
Do you know which part of Dalarna she came from?
/ Robin


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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 11:36 AM UTC

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Hi;

It Seems to Me that Some people can't comprehend the Question in the First place, and others know little about the Hobby in general, or even How to use A Search feature in the first place !!!!!!!!! |: Now I will Confess that I am not A Rocket Expert; But It never fails to Amaze me the answer's that some people post !
CHEERS; MIKE.


Down, Boy. Not everyone is equally Internet or forum savvy. Besides, the question has provoked a good discussion and I, for one, have learned a lot.



The next moan could come from me about the near total absence of 1/35 models of Swedish armour from the late 1920's to early 1960's



Then there are the WWII-era STRV-series kits that HOBBY BOSS has been peddling for the last few years... They count, don't they???
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 12:14 PM UTC
With all due respect for the community, am I banging my head on the table?

Yes, I did google before posting here, and as I said on my earlier post. In fact, I hold myself for over a year before posting this. If you even read my initial post, I focus on tank rather than every type of AFV. Also, I already said/wrote that I know about the existence of the French tanks on the market. I was, and still, asking why so many tanks that can be made but they are not.

Here is some of the tanks I want to see:
ARL-44 90mm (the most known one, 1946) and ALR-44 ACL-1 (the original model 1944)
AMX-50/100 and AMX-50/120
AMX-50 Foch (turretless version of the AMX-50)
AMX M4 and Lorraine 40t (prototype for the medium tank with oscillating turret to stay in between the AMX-50 and AMX-13)
Cannon d'Assault (CA) Lorraine (predecessor of the Lorraine 40t)
SOMUA SM
Batignolles-Chatillon (Bat.Chat) 25t
The AMX ELC series (ELC EVEN 30, ELC EVEN 90 and ELC Bis, all of them are still in Saumur)
Lorraine 155mm

These are all the tank that made they way to the adoption or at least the functional prototype stage. Some of them are considered failure, but rather failure on the logistic plan of the French army back then. Otherwise, if we take the same parameters, the German Tiger II would also be failure, even greater than these post war French tanks. Even Soviet heavy logistic failure tanks like IS-4, IS-7 and T-10 to some extend, get kits.

I appreciate the replies and critics. This question is better to ask to manufacturers and not the builder community. I apologise.

Ng. M Ng
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 12:42 PM UTC

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The next moan could come from me about the near total absence of 1/35 models of Swedish armour from the late 1920's to early 1960's



Oh don't get me started on the lack of Swedish tanks, no Arjun, and especially that we never got the damned Pz 68. . .
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Posted: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - 04:04 PM UTC
Hi;

"Lunacy just Lunacy" !! Now on the serious side, one could ask; why Don't we have more Armor from India !
Example; Arjun or Ajeeya and even Tank-X which I Kit bashed A 2A4 & T-72 just to say that I have one in my collection. Now you can Build both British and Soviet types to model vehicles from India. And the list could go on from A-Z !!!!!!!

CHEERS; MIKE.
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Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2019 - 04:57 AM UTC

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Hi;

It Seems to Me that Some people can't comprehend the Question in the First place, and others know little about the Hobby in general, or even How to use A Search feature in the first place !!!!!!!!! |: Now I will Confess that I am not A Rocket Expert; But It never fails to Amaze me the answer's that some people post !
CHEERS; MIKE.


Down, Boy. Not everyone is equally Internet or forum savvy. Besides, the question has provoked a good discussion and I, for one, have learned a lot.



The next moan could come from me about the near total absence of 1/35 models of Swedish armour from the late 1920's to early 1960's



Then there are the WWII-era STRV-series kits that HOBBY BOSS has been peddling for the last few years... They count, don't they???



The Toldi-series? They are close and only need some modifications to make one or maybe two of the Swedish versions.
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Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2019 - 05:00 AM UTC

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With all due respect for the community, am I banging my head on the table?

Yes, I did google before posting here, and as I said on my earlier post. In fact, I hold myself for over a year before posting this. If you even read my initial post, I focus on tank rather than every type of AFV. Also, I already said/wrote that I know about the existence of the French tanks on the market. I was, and still, asking why so many tanks that can be made but they are not.

Here is some of the tanks I want to see:
ARL-44 90mm (the most known one, 1946) and ALR-44 ACL-1 (the original model 1944)
AMX-50/100 and AMX-50/120
AMX-50 Foch (turretless version of the AMX-50)
AMX M4 and Lorraine 40t (prototype for the medium tank with oscillating turret to stay in between the AMX-50 and AMX-13)
Cannon d'Assault (CA) Lorraine (predecessor of the Lorraine 40t)
SOMUA SM
Batignolles-Chatillon (Bat.Chat) 25t
The AMX ELC series (ELC EVEN 30, ELC EVEN 90 and ELC Bis, all of them are still in Saumur)
Lorraine 155mm

These are all the tank that made they way to the adoption or at least the functional prototype stage. Some of them are considered failure, but rather failure on the logistic plan of the French army back then. Otherwise, if we take the same parameters, the German Tiger II would also be failure, even greater than these post war French tanks. Even Soviet heavy logistic failure tanks like IS-4, IS-7 and T-10 to some extend, get kits.

I appreciate the replies and critics. This question is better to ask to manufacturers and not the builder community. I apologise.

Ng. M Ng



WE hijacked YOUR post
so there is absolutely no need to apologise.

There is a lot of tanks that I would like to see model kits for, the ARL and AMX-versions you mentioned are some of them.
With the ongoing "race" between the manufacturers there is a fair chance that we will get those kits sometime in the future.
/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2019 - 07:17 AM UTC

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With all due respect for the community, am I banging my head on the table?

Yes, I did google before posting here, and as I said on my earlier post. In fact, I hold myself for over a year before posting this. If you even read my initial post, I focus on tank rather than every type of AFV. Also, I already said/wrote that I know about the existence of the French tanks on the market. I was, and still, asking why so many tanks that can be made but they are not.

Here is some of the tanks I want to see:
ARL-44 90mm (the most known one, 1946) and ALR-44 ACL-1 (the original model 1944)
AMX-50/100 and AMX-50/120
AMX-50 Foch (turretless version of the AMX-50)
AMX M4 and Lorraine 40t (prototype for the medium tank with oscillating turret to stay in between the AMX-50 and AMX-13)
Cannon d'Assault (CA) Lorraine (predecessor of the Lorraine 40t)
SOMUA SM
Batignolles-Chatillon (Bat.Chat) 25t
The AMX ELC series (ELC EVEN 30, ELC EVEN 90 and ELC Bis, all of them are still in Saumur)
Lorraine 155mm

These are all the tank that made they way to the adoption or at least the functional prototype stage. Some of them are considered failure, but rather failure on the logistic plan of the French army back then. Otherwise, if we take the same parameters, the German Tiger II would also be failure, even greater than these post war French tanks. Even Soviet heavy logistic failure tanks like IS-4, IS-7 and T-10 to some extend, get kits.

I appreciate the replies and critics. This question is better to ask to manufacturers and not the builder community. I apologise.

Ng. M Ng



I think we're really looking at the era of the early cold war where the lack is felt, with the exception of the Renault D2 which is a really gaping hole for the Battle of France. The ARL44 ( which I put many of my photos on the Armorama walkaround) is probably the easiest along with the AMX-50 simply because actual tanks exist at a very friendly museum (Saumur) to be measured. With the Somua SM using the same turret as the AMX-50 you'd have some part commonality. The AMX M-4's would be welcomed by me but they rank up their with the E50 (to be fair, of which we're about to have two different kits of!) on the paper panzer spectrum. For the ACL-1 turret I'm not sure if actual plans exist. There may be more photos or plans extant that have not been shared with the community but right not documentation is scant outside of 2 photos, neither of which show the top. If WoT drives the desire for these beyond this forum perhaps a G1R and SARL 42 could show up, the former of which at least existed as a wooden mockup.

The ARL44 has been rumored for years, I know of at least one resin kit manufacturer who was mastering one but cancelled it because they'd heard a manufacturer was going to tackle it in plastic. It will probably be released the day I finish scratchbuilding the damned thing. . .
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Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2019 - 10:57 AM UTC
ARL-44 atleast should be doable, as it is semi-known and has a rather unique look.

With regards to France`40 the Char D2 is as several point out sorely lacking, as with the earlier Char D1, both are cool semi-clunky looking vehicles of the kind that would fit the catalogs of companies like Hobby Boss, Meng etc. Also the AMR-series btw.

The existing Hotchkiss-kits though are not good at all. The Heller kit is ancient, the Trumpeter offering is a horrible abomination best forgotten, the Bronco kit was ok as a first offering from this company, but it is riddled with errors.
The earliest variant, the Hotchkiss H35, is only available from Heller, which as mentioned is very old. Any company willing to do a new kit of the Hotchkiss to would be able to squeeze 8 or 9 versions out of it, not a bad potential for such a small tank as a kit.

There are some really strange releases with regards to little known tanks though, Hobby Boss did release the hungarian 44M Tas heavy tank, a vehicle of which a fully functional prototype did not even exist. Also the soviet T12 and T24 medium tanks from around 1930, the first was only a prototype with one vehicle built and the second was only built in small numbers and only used for a few years.
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I would love the AMX50 and/or the ARL44 in 1/35 scale too. Ever since I saw them at Samur about 10 years ago, I have been holding out for a model. With all the cold war heavies released in the last few years, I have been hoping one of the companies would add them to the line up.