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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2020 - 02:44 AM UTC
D,
Gotcha. Checking out the link with Waltrip right now.

Just watched that lap with Waltrip crying UNCLE time and time again.

Up the twisty part isn't to bad and I can handle it in my Porsche 911 R GT3 car, but coming down with one cork screw after another is even a frightening experience in a simulator. I use to think that the Laguna Seca Cork Screw separated the men from the boys, but once you've driven even in a sim Bathurst, Laguna Seca just never is the same.

There is a track deep in Germany that's a club/resort set of tracks, where no race series will race. It's called Blister Berg, and it's almost as bad ass. The only difference is that I truly hate that track as you can't see with so many blind corners. It's just one accident after another waiting to happen.

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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2020 - 02:11 AM UTC

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D,
What a great video. Just a little confused as to why the cars are late models and yet it's the 2019 race. The action is fantastic as always. Truth be told, the Aussie Super V8 series is in my top 2 series to watch as I can get every race on You Tube sooner or later. Those guys put even the Nascar Boys to shame when it comes to fender to fender racing.

As for Mount Panorama Bathurst race, it's beyond a regular track, I put it right up there with even Spa.



Joel, there are regular race series here with classic cars, that's why it is called the "Masters Series". It is a highlight race often as an opener for the current touring cars, but the boys are always serious!
The Mt Panorama track is legend. There is a great video of Darrell Waltrip doing a hot lap with Jason Bright and then describing the track.

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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2020 - 01:54 AM UTC
Gabriel,
Believe me, you know more about those imported car series then I do. My area of expertise is the MG, formally known as Morris Garage. Now there's a stupid car name, but leave it to the British to come up with some really strange names. The Midget was a Austin Healey Sprite in everything including every body style change at the same exact time, same interior, and same engines. I owned and loved my 1275 Midget, but it was no Super Cooper Mini S by any means. Not quite sure why I never did own one.

I'm quite sure that my fond memories have been raised to new heights over the years. I do remember that the heat was practically non-existent, leaked water when it rained just about everywhere, the wipers sucked when they bothered to work, and those twin Su carbs were a nightmare, like all the British two carb sport cars had to keep tuned.

The one Fiat I always loved and just recently saw a fully restored one was the 124 Spider. Way ahead of it's time for styling and comfort, but what killed it for me was the poor performance that every proper sports car had to have for yours truly to have owned own. I even thought a buying a Gordini but then came to my senses.

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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2020 - 01:44 AM UTC
D,
What a great video. Just a little confused as to why the cars are late models and yet it's the 2019 race. The action is fantastic as always. Truth be told, the Aussie Super V8 series is in my top 2 series to watch as I can get every race on You Tube sooner or later. Those guys put even the Nascar Boys to shame when it comes to fender to fender racing.

As for Mount Panorama Bathurst race, it's beyond a regular track, I put it right up there with even Spa.

I posted a few times that last fall I once again after nearly 25 years started auto sim racing again. Have times changed. My main sim is RaceRoom Racing Experience, race mostly online as well as a club member in two leagues. Anyway, Bathurst is always a very special race. I just started to practice there in Ernest, and it's really two separate tracks. Going up and then the mountain is insane at speed, and then that super long back straight. Wow!! what a thrill.

As for the Copper Super Mini S 1275cc, nothing can beat them on the twisty parts. I had the chance to drive one and it's not like any other car ever made or raced.

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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2020 - 10:43 AM UTC

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Checkout the size of the 850cc engine. Two of us use to lift it up and install it by hand, it's that small and light.



Joel



Seriously, after working on the big V8's that think looks like a windscreen wiper motor!

Power-to-weight ratio always come to the fore. One of my favourite Bathurst videos is an in-car clip of a big V8 (Mustang I think) vs a Mini Cooper. Lap after lap the Mini flies past the V8 across the top through the twists and turns, only to see the V8 thunder past again down the straight. Awesome stuff to watch.

For a bit of nostalgia, 2019 Bathurst Touring Car Masters is full of Mustangs, Camaros, Falcons and Toranas.

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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2020 - 05:15 AM UTC
Superb pictures on the subject, Joel!

Yes, I always was in awe for what European and Japanese engineers can do with small three or four cylinders engines. My father's Fiat had 850, my Jimny has 1298, but the original JDM Kei car has 660, and Honda 600 has 600! Not to mention Renalt 5 and Citroen, even Skoda, which used to do excellent cars for their intended purpose, with engines under one liter.

The reason I thought the American Fiat Barchetta has 1300cc it is because in late 60s and early 70s, Fiat had three platforms: 500, 800 and 1300. From 1300 the Russians made Lada, that went unchanged for 30 years. They are backwards technologically, but they are unbelievable solid.

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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2020 - 01:56 AM UTC
Gabriel,
I just knew that you'd appreciate my post and pictures.

As another nearly useless side note, one of my two best buddies (always pays to have a spare ) bought a 850 used Spider in excellent condition. One thing that we noticed and couldn't fix ourselves, is the top of the front shock towers were just the stamped steel chassis. Well, give the shocks enough bumps and pot holes and the shocks started to push the top of the tower up till they cracked Not much could be done about that other then having it hammered back down and a steel plate wielded to the top of it.

As for the 850cc engine, the kings of H production were the MG Bug eye Sprites with their own 850 engines. You can see in the picture why they got the nickname of "Bugeye", and you couldn't have gotten a more bare to the bones car.



Checkout the size of the 850cc engine. Two of us use to lift it up and install it by hand, it's that small and light.



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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2020 - 02:30 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
Your wondering about a Fiat 850 model brought back some really fond memories, all the way back to my racing days from 1967-71. For the brief time that I was involved with SCCA racing as a pit crew member for a H production MG Sprite team, our main competition besides other Sprites and Midgets on the track came from a Fiat dealership that was campaigning a 850 Spider that Fiat was actually backing. One just wouldn't think that even the sports looking Spider was much of a race car, but I'm telling you that it could fly, and was the car to beat in the Northeast Region for quite a few years.

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Joel, being so closely involved in racing gives you an edge as a modeller as well, when comes about detail. I wish I had your experience!
I always lived with the impression that the American market Spyder had a 1300cc engine, not 850.
The series 850 my father owned, it was looking sporty, with 2 doors and red vinyl interior and it was quite maneuverable. The engine self wasn't a beast, but very reliable (discounting the electric system). Main problem was with overheating in long climbs, since not enough airflow was reaching the rear air intake. To solve this, my father sacrificed some frunk space and added a radiator without a fan and replaced the panel between the front lights with a grille. It still had the manual crank start for winter. He owned it since '68 to '98. When he sold it, it was still running but the rear panel, the wheel arches and the under the door frames were pretty much destroyed by rust. The interior it was as good as new, and all on it it was original equipment, safe for battery, the alternator and the above mentioned cooler.
I wish I could buy and restaurate one of these myself. They sell for reasonable prices on evil bay, but the rebuild costs and maintenance of such an old car it's just above my means

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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2020 - 02:32 AM UTC
Gabriel,
Your wondering about a Fiat 850 model brought back some really fond memories, all the way back to my racing days from 1967-71. For the brief time that I was involved with SCCA racing as a pit crew member for a H production MG Sprite team, our main competition besides other Sprites and Midgets on the track came from a Fiat dealership that was campaigning a 850 Spider that Fiat was actually backing. One just wouldn't think that even the sports looking Spider was much of a race car, but I'm telling you that it could fly, and was the car to beat in the Northeast Region for quite a few years.

Here's just two of the Spiders that are still running in the SCCA Historic races:





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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2020 - 02:14 AM UTC
Guys,

I'm really up for The Dreams are Free themed GB. Just think of just what categories could show up. If and when it does happen, I take the AutoModeler Pledge: AMD, and promise that none of the cars of my dreams, which there are a few, are Ferrari's. For what it's worth, is a car that I already owned, sold long ago, and now wish I had this classic once again, considered a dream car?

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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2020 - 01:13 AM UTC

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There seem to be a few diecast around in 1:18, but I found this one in 1:24

http://www.ezbustoys.com/124-scale-blue-whitebox-diecast-1964-fiat-850-super-model-p-3523.html




Yes, that's the one I knew of... I don't know if you have noticed: the stock is level 0, and the red sticker reads "sold out" And I still wait for a plastic kit of this one, although the manufacturers ignore most of the "people's" cars...

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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2020 - 02:07 PM UTC
There seem to be a few diecast around in 1:18, but I found this one in 1:24

http://www.ezbustoys.com/124-scale-blue-whitebox-diecast-1964-fiat-850-super-model-p-3523.html

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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2020 - 12:01 PM UTC

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Brilliant idea, Joel. Now, where from can I get a [i]Fiat 850[i] kit?



https://www.scalemates.com/kits/arena-modelli-are202-24-fiat-abarth-850-tc-jaegermeister--1003743




For one moment, my heart skipped a beat!
The one in the kit seems to be a souped up Fiat 500

This is the one I am after... and the only one time I found it, it was diecast and out of stock:

Image credit Wikipedia

:(

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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2020 - 11:25 AM UTC

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Brilliant idea, Joel. Now, where from can I get a [i]Fiat 850[i] kit?



https://www.scalemates.com/kits/arena-modelli-are202-24-fiat-abarth-850-tc-jaegermeister--1003743

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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2020 - 11:14 AM UTC

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Ok folks. Thanks to Joel we have #20 Group Build Theme proposal on the list now

Dreams are Free! - Follow your dreams, build the car, bike or truck that you would love to have sitting in the garage!

Cheers, D



I was just reading this on the Postman thread. Brilliant idea, Joel. Now, where from can I get a Fiat 850 kit?
Or I should keep my Jimny kit until then?

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Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2020 - 11:08 AM UTC
Ok folks. Thanks to Joel we have #20 Group Build Theme proposal on the list now

Dreams are Free! - Follow your dreams, build the car, bike or truck that you would love to have sitting in the garage!

Cheers, D
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Posted: Thursday, February 06, 2020 - 02:08 AM UTC
D,
Yep, I certainly did. I better get to the eye Doctor for my two new pairs of bi-focals ASAP

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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 07:40 PM UTC
You might want to keep that designed and manufactured line in there. I think a lot of big Fords and Chryslers were built (51%) in Canada to avoid US fuel economy standards. Because as everyone knows, import cars are more fuel efficient than US made cars
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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 05:09 PM UTC

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I thought that rather then just British Isles, we were going to open it up to the entire commonwealth past and present?

Joel



Joel, I think you skipped over one line in my second last post!


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The idea that we should encompass and embrace those magnificent manufacturers from the Antipodes has a lot of merit, so the proposal would include any vehicles designed and manufactured in a Commonwealth nation.



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Posted: Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 01:38 AM UTC
D, just gotta love those DB5's.

Jim, I'm sure that there's a decent selection of British auto kits both race and street car available.

I thought that rather then just British Isles, we were going to open it up to the entire commonwealth past and present?

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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 - 04:26 PM UTC

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I'll probably sit out the "Best of the British" GB as I have no British or commonwealth vehicles in the stash. Although, I have been wanting to build one of James Bond's cars. I know in the early books he had a battleship grey Bentley 4-1/2 Litre (1931, maybe), but his most iconic car is the silver grey 1964 Aston Martin DB5. I don't know what car the Daniel Craig James Bond drives, but I'm sure it's an Aston Martin, and I'm sure it's expensive!

I'll watch the "Best of the British" GB with interest as I am unfamiliar with British cars.

Jim



I picked this kit up a while back, and I have just received the Zero Paints "Silver Birch" to go with it, so I'm all set. This kit has also been released with the "005" treatment, all of the gadgets added in as extras, but mine is the simple kerbside version.


I think this is the only kit in my stash that qualifies here.

There is plenty of time between now and October Jim, who knows what might happen??

Cheers, D
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I'll probably sit out the "Best of the British" GB as I have no British or commonwealth vehicles in the stash. Although, I have been wanting to build one of James Bond's cars. I know in the early books he had a battleship grey Bentley 4-1/2 Litre (1931, maybe), but his most iconic car is the silver grey 1964 Aston Martin DB5. I don't know what car the Daniel Craig James Bond drives, but I'm sure it's an Aston Martin, and I'm sure it's expensive!

I'll watch the "Best of the British" GB with interest as I am unfamiliar with British cars.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 - 05:59 AM UTC
D,
The next GB isn't even here as yet, and I'm already going to be changing my build from the Ebbro Lotus 49 and building the NuNu 935 K3 now.

I'm all in favor of the following GB's theme to be "The Best of The British". Although Porsche's aren't built in the British Isles, I think I can find a few race cars that would qualify, or even a street car that I really want to build.

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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2020 - 12:01 PM UTC
It has been a couple of months since we had a look at the future Group Builds, time for a review!

We have 2 months left to run on the Blue Oval, the GQ20 is up and running nicely, and the "Strip, Track and Trail" will kick off at the start of April.

There seems to be some traction around the "Best of British" theme, so I will propose that we look to firm that up as the Group Build starting in October this year.

The idea that we should encompass and embrace those magnificent manufacturers from the Antipodes has a lot of merit, so the proposal would include any vehicles designed and manufactured in a Commonwealth nation.

Over to you guys. Thoughts, feedback, a volunteer to lead, let's see what we can do to grow this one!

Cheers, D
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 12:00 AM UTC

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D, I don't have a clue about running a campaign. But put me down for Garage Queens 2020, unless someone more qualified pipes up.



Mark, many thanks mate, you're hereby elected unopposed! There are only 2 weeks until the Garage Queens 2020 is due to start, it would be good to get a proposal lodged now so I can get the Group Build enlistment page up and running. Please let me know if you have any questions about submitting a proposal.

I have started the "Official Group Build" thread HERE so we can get some promotion and discussions underway.

Cheers, D