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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2019 - 01:05 AM UTC
Rowan,
I just love Minis. I almost bought a Mini Cooper Super S back in the late 60s. On a twisty road you could beat even a Porsche 911. Nothing could keep up with them.

I still can't make a decision one way or the other. I've got several Lotuses, and some William's F1 cars including the proper Gravity paints and all needed decals.

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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 09:33 PM UTC
Hi Joel

Yes - I'll probably go for the Watkins Glen version using mostly the kit decals (adding aftermarket tobacco sponsor logos). My alternative choice might be Tamiya's Mini Cooper - I think I saw one on the shelves in my LHS not long ago...

All the best

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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 09:17 AM UTC
Rowan,
I've also got the Ebbro Lotus 49 & 49B, plus Indy Cal decals for the Rob Walker privateer 49B entry driven by Jo Siffert. Maybe we can each do a different version, instead of my MGB idea.

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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 07:49 AM UTC
Hi all

I haven't given up on the Airfix MGB, but it's serving as a test-bed for paints at the moment! The radiator grill was easy to improve, but the general misshapenness is something I'll have to live with (the body and chassis are just cockeyed). Hopefully, earlier moulding won't suffer the same way.

I'll definitely be in for the British build. It looks like the perfect opportunity to tackle the Ebbro Lotus 49B (or Jim Clark's Lotus 49 if it reappears on the shelves in the UK in time).

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 03:31 AM UTC
Joel, yes, I saw that thread. I contributed the note that my 1994(?) boxing of the MGB has the same misshapen grill that the 2004 boxing contained. Fortunately the thread showed that it was possible to repair it. I'm expecting no less from the DB5 either.
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 12:53 AM UTC
Taking a look at my race car stash, the vast majority of kits are all models of cars designed in England. So for me the decision which to build will be a nerve racking affair as usual.

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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 12:51 AM UTC
Mark,
Rowan had a build thread on the Airfix MGB, and wasn't very thrilled with the kit. I'd checkout his blog as far as it got to see what you're up against.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 06:42 PM UTC
Well, I've got an Airfix 1/32 MGB and a 1/32 Astin Martin DB5 so I guess I'm good to go for a Best of Britain build.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 12:44 PM UTC

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Michael (Cosimodo), I blame you for this

You dropped the Jag into the Postman thread

Over to you guys, discussion time

Cheers, D



Cripes, who'd have guess a Jag could be so disruptive
But other than the Jag (and the WIP Citroen) everything else I have is a race car (including some British ones) so I would stick with the "Race" theme for the campaign to follow Blue Oval. Just way more options for me.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 04:03 AM UTC

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D,
For now, how are you listing the British GB? As street only or street/race?
Joel



I would include racing types as I said, some of the real icons of the British Auto Industry are racing cars.

Cheers, D



D,
Thought so, but just wanted a clarification.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 03:30 AM UTC

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D,
For now, how are you listing the British GB? As street only or street/race?
Joel



I would include racing types as I said, some of the real icons of the British Auto Industry are racing cars.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 03:16 AM UTC
D,
For now, how are you listing the British GB? As street only or street/race?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 01:26 PM UTC
D, I can go either way as I have a couple of Jags and a Lotus Europa that will fit in the Best of British while for the Racing I have F1 (Ferrari, Lotus and Tyrrell) GT (Nissan, Merc, BMW, Jag, Porsche, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo) Rally (Lancia, Opal, Audi) Drag strip (Mustang-Blue Max) Indy car (Lola-Ford) and Moto GP (Ducati).
Probably missed a few off but you get the picture.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 12:44 PM UTC
Over in the "Postman" thread there is a stirring towards an alternative theme for the Group Build to follow the Blue Oval.

From the list on Page 1 of this thread we have the following:

16. Best of British - UK Manufacturers showcase

Lets start a discussion around the scope of this as a theme and then we can make a decision and get a lead-up thread started.

As with the previous discussions, I would prefer to see a broad scope to make it as inviting and inclusive as possible, so I would include all British manufactured cars, trucks, motorcycles and agricultural machinery, including racing vehicles as some of the most iconic names are in there. I would probably include military vehicles, but only in ex-military use (civilian or emergency services).

Personally, I am happy to go with either of these options (Racing or British) as I have kits in the stash for both. I have a Shelby Cobra, an F1 Ferrari and an Indy Reynard for the Racing theme options, and for the Best of Brits I have the DB5 and I could even drag out a Matchbox 1/12 Vincent Black Shadow.



Michael (Cosimodo), I blame you for this

You dropped the Jag into the Postman thread

Over to you guys, discussion time

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 12:43 AM UTC
Michael,
Well said, as you've hit the "nail on the head" on what Group builds are really all about.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2019 - 01:57 PM UTC
Damian, I am happy to go along with the broad theme. As long as we are getting builds on the go we will achieved the objective of a group build.

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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2019 - 04:13 AM UTC
D,
Your points are well taken, and I can see where my thoughts on various types of racing should be separate from each other, is in reality counter productive as it just further limits the number of enlistees per type.

So I'm fine with all types and classes of racing, and even including Fantasy for the 1 or 2 guys that would enter if that option was available to them. Just look at Charles's Ford GT as to what can be accomplished as a fantasy car.


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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2019 - 12:02 AM UTC
Hi guys.

I've been thinking about the pros and cons of narrowing down the field for a "Racing" themed Group Build, and I really can't see the advantage in it. I just keep going back to the low numbers that we have enlisting in the Group Builds, and the even lower numbers completing their builds, and all I can see is fewer again taking part in a narrow-focus Group Build.

I honestly believe that if we base the Group Build around an all-encompassing history and variety of racing vehicles theme we would encourage more to join in. We could stipulate a "No What-If" rule so that all entries are genuine historical or current race vehicles. If there is enough participation and further demand we can always follow up with further chapters.

I could also see a narrower definition possibly causing some argument. For example if we take "Open-Wheelers" as a theme, we automatically gravitate to the F1 and Indy cars, but what about the dune buggies, dragsters and sprint cars?

As always, all input and ideas welcome.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2019 - 12:46 AM UTC
FWIW, I've been a life long road & oval track racing fan, and even raced myself (a true one way ticket to the Poor House). I had little interest in the 1/8 & 1/4 mile drag strip cars that develop as much HP as humanely possible.

Over the years of being on several real racing forums, and visiting many racing sites, a few things slowly came into focus is that the interests of gearheads varies greatly by where they grew up and currently live. My point is that it would be rather difficult to narrow down what series for a campaign without loosing members who have no interest in those series. Yet I do see the point of a theme of just Racing as being to wide open.

We're never going to be able to make everyone happy with the chosen general subject matter, so maybe we should focus more on narrowing down the various types.

Open Wheel, Closed wheel, Drag & Strip, Rally, or even Vintage and or time period are a few that come to mind.

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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 01:55 PM UTC

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Jim,
Hopefully, you'll find a kit that interests you enough, and you'll join us. Check out ebay, as there's a ton of old race cars of all types at great prices. I should know as I keep on finding a gem here and there, and buying it.

Joel



I still want to do a 1990s era Indy/CART car; so I'll keep my eyes open.

Damian, I'm kind of with you on this one. I, too, think that if we narrow it down too much (Racing - Open Wheel; or Racing - Stock Cars) we probably won't get the participation. Says the guy who might not be participating!

Jim
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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 12:36 PM UTC
Well FWIW, I consider myself to be an airplane guy and for some reason I've ended up with 4 NASCAR racers, 2 road racers, a stock car (not NASCAR) and one open wheel racer in the stash. And a number of Mustangs and Chargers in the mix that could be weekend racers, including a Hertz Shelby Mustang 350H.
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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 11:54 AM UTC
Hi guys.

Thanks for the feedback so far. Don't forget that this was just my suggestion, please put forward any others either from the list on page one, or a new suggestion.

The main reason I was trying to keep a broader theme is to try to generate more participation. We rarely get more than 10 enlisted in the Automodeler Group Builds, and never get close to a full completion list. My fear is that if we narrow the field down to say "Street, Strip and Track - Hard Top Racing" and then "Rally - Dirt, Mud and Sand" subjects the numbers will be even lower. In saying that, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong and if the concensus from the contributors here is to go that way, we shall make it so.

Like I've said before, I'm here to help make the site run smoother and be a more enjoyable place for us to share our hobby, so please keep the feedback coming!

Cheers, D
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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 11:10 AM UTC
My thoughts for what their worth but I think the theme is too broad. I get race prepared cars for strip, track or rally but anything that goes off road as well, including trucks and motorbikes?
We've gone from the narrow - Porsche and Ford - to almost anything somebody has ever stuck a number on! I would prefer a more focused group build but I'll wait until the rules are set.

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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 09:09 AM UTC

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No race cars currently in the stash. Might have to sit this one out.

Jim



Jim,
Hopefully, you'll find a kit that interests you enough, and you'll join us. Check out ebay, as there's a ton of old race cars of all types at great prices. I should know as I keep on finding a gem here and there, and buying it.

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Posted: Friday, July 26, 2019 - 09:07 AM UTC

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I have F1, Rally and sports cars (as in Le Mans) in stash, so would join any of those group builds.



Pasi,

Damian's original concept was any type of racing car, bike, or even truck. My modification suggestion was just to keep Rally separate, so either way you've got car kits to choose from.

BTW, welcome to our AutoModeler site, we're thrilled to have you as part of the "family"

Joel