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Painting Miniart US marine at rest.. question
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 04:16 PM UTC
Big problem with Miniart they alway provide not to accurate color chart for there 1/34th figure.
And I need right color chart for Miniart US marine at rest.example is Khaki the right color ?
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 03:17 AM UTC
Khaki simply means "earth-color" in Urdu. It has a very wide range of hues from a cement beige to pea-green. If you image-Google khaki equipment you'll get a good idea of the color range - no two items will be the same color!
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 03:36 AM UTC
I had asked and go no response on the sand color.

https://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=274534&page=1

I think XF-78 Wooden Deck tan over a dark primer color would work or be close enough for sand overalls.

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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 06:02 AM UTC
I would say the real color is tan and there is a tan color from Gunze (H27)

https://www.google.com/search?q=nomex+CVC&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=sinv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIyarkppbhAhXeA2MBHX9IB1sQ_AUoAnoECAwQAg&biw=1280&bih=800#imgrc=jNmcFLQ1q2wOlM:

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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 06:27 AM UTC
Thanks for that info. Looks like Vallejo 70.914 is a close match or Tamiya XF78:XF49 3:1 mix.
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 06:30 AM UTC

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Big problem with Miniart they alway provide not to accurate color chart for there 1/34th figure.
And I need right color chart for Miniart US marine at rest.example is Khaki the right color ?



Hi, Richard!

""KHAKI"... Hmm. The color "khaki" is problematic in defining EXACTLY. During World War II, each of the World's Armies, Navies and other Armed Services, such as the United States Marine Corps, (USMC), had different specifications for the color "Khaki". The USMC was, and still is, under the US Department of the Navy, and many times had to defer to what the Navy's purchasing commission provided. This applied to everything from socks to Bazookas.

As to the color "Khaki", the WWII British Army's "Khaki" for example, is a FAR DIFFERENT color from the US Army's version of "Khaki". Likewise, the Polish Army's version of "Khaki" is quite different from the then Soviet Army's version. Many model manufacturers and model paint companies will produce a "generic Khaki" color to be used by the "average" modeler, not taking into account that the more discriminating modelers among us WANT THE PROPER COLORS for their modeling projects. More specialized model paint companies, such as VALLEJO, LIFE COLOR, etc, have become MUCH MORE accommodating in their range of military paint colors, and offer a WIDE variety of colors. One wants to be careful though, because with an embarrassing number of colors, these CAN and ARE quite "off the mark"...

The main reason for the wide variation in color of US web equipment, overalls, coveralls, and many other Uniform items is because the US Government contracted with MANY different manufacturers to produce these things. Each manufacturer was given specifications and color requirements for these items. However, these specifications and color requirements ALSO gave the various manufacturers some leeway in COMING CLOSE to the exact color required. The same "rule" applied to US Military Tanks, AFVs and Wheeled Vehicles. For example, the Paint Specification for "OLIVE DRAB", called for YELLOW OCHRE as a BASE COLOR, to which CARBON BLACK was to be added in small proportions in order to match "PULLMAN GREEN"... Thus, there is a wide disparity in what is supposed to be "OLIVE DRAB". Many modelers STILL don't seem to understand that US WWII Military Vehicles and Equipment were not painted only in a color matching TAMIYA XF-62...

Which articles of clothing are you concerned with? Are you able to post a picture..? If you are referring to the Marines' Coveralls, then the proper color should match the color of Herringbone Twill, many times referred to as "HBTs". This is a Light-To-Medium shade of a GRAYISH-GREEN... Webbed Equipment cab range from a faded "Khaki-Canvas" color to a middling "Olive Green"...

Maybe we can all better answer your questions if we saw the items that you are concerned about...
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 06:44 AM UTC
I think he is asking about the instruction callouts for the coverall colors. Which is the same problem I had earlier, just asked differently. It is listed as Khaki, which that might be correct color name but the paint callouts appear to be different shade, especially when looking at the box art which looks close to me. ie callout Tamiya XF-49 and XF78:XF49 3:1 mix is different. callout Vallejo 998 vs 914.
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 08:18 AM UTC

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I think he is asking about the instruction callouts for the coverall colors. Which is the same problem I had earlier, just asked differently. It is listed as Khaki, which that might be correct color name but the paint callouts appear to be different shade, especially when looking at the box art which looks close to me. ie callout Tamiya XF-49 and XF78:XF49 3:1 mix is different. callout Vallejo 998 vs 914.



Hi, Ryan!

Yes, I AGREE with you completely. USMC Coveralls and the Two-piece Service Trousers and Shirts/Jackets were initially made of Herringbone Twill, (HBTs). These were a Grayish-Green color. Eventually, these articles were changed to lighter-weight cotton denim material. The HBTs were very unsatisfactory in the climes of the South and Western Pacific Combat Areas, in that they became very heavy when wet, and that they didn't "breathe" enough for the Marines' comfort. The new "Utilities" replacement clothing articles were nearly the same color as the HBTs, and were ofttimes referred to as "Dungarees"...

I like to use the TESTORS MODEL MASTER II Enamels in all of my figure-painting efforts. For the HBT/Utilities shade of "Green", I like to start with MODEL MASTER II Enamel RAF Cockpit Green as my BASE color. My "shadow" color in the folds and creases of the clothing is usually a darker Greenish WEATHERING POWDER color, which I like to vary in accordance to where the "sunlight" will fall on the figure, i.e, the darker shades in the "crotch and armpit areas", with successively lighter "shadow areas" as I move towards the shoulders... I then give the figure a dusting of TESTORS MODEEL MASTER 1960 Lusterless (Flat) Spray, in order to "anchor" the pastel weathering powders. After the figure has completely dried, (at least 24-48 hours), I like to "highlight" with RAF Sky Type-S, applying this i a bit heavier fashion as I move towards the shoulders of the figure. THESE COLORS ARE NOT "KHAKI", at all... A "Gray-Green" color is much more apropos in replicating WWII USMC AND US Army Work-Coveralls.

"Work" Headgear such as the "billed" M1941 Fatigue Cap and/or the M1941 HBT Hat, popularly known as the "Daisy Mae", should also be this "Gray-Green" color. PRE-WAR "Daisy Maes and the two-piece Denim Work Suits were manufactured in the more common Cotton "Denim Blue" color, which as we all know, faded out to a bewildering myriad of colors...

Lightweight "Khaki" Cotton Coveralls were issued to US Navy and US Marine Corps AVIATORS, which for the most part were Officers, and to Officer Aviation Personnel when flying during World War II. Enlisted USMC Aviation Ranks wore their HBT or Utilities in this capacity. US Navy Enlisted Ranks wore their regular USN Work Apparel when flying. The Navy also issued their G-2 Goatskin Leather Flying Jackets to Aviation Personnel for high-altitude flying "chores"...

I would also like to add that in Combat or Training Areas during the earlier stages of WWII, US Marine Corps Officers many times wore lighter-weight Khaki Cotton Officers' Service Shirts with their HBT or "Dungaree" Trousers, regardless of whether they were involved in actual combat or in rear areas. This practice was discontinued after a time, because Japanese Snipers could obviously tell that the men wearing the light-colored Khaki Shirts were Officers...
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 10:15 AM UTC
Great info, that said this kit is for modern Marine Tankers.
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Posted: Friday, March 22, 2019 - 10:33 AM UTC

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Great info, that said this kit is for modern Marine Tankers.



First of all, I still like to use the TESTORS MODEL MASTER II Enamels for my figure-painting. For Modern US Marine Tankers, I start with FS 34086 GREEN DRAB as a Base color for the "Olive Green" suits, lightening and darkening as needed for "highlights" and "shadows". For the "Tan", or "Khaki" suits, I start with FS 30219 TAN as my Base Color, and then I "highlight" with AFRIKA BRAUN... I went into more detail of my own process in another thread... (see: NOMEX CVC Coverall Paint Colors)
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 09:50 PM UTC
thank's for the reply