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Rye Field's "Tiger Transport Tracks" set
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 10:33 PM UTC
Sorry gentlemen.
I think we have had enough of this squabble now.
Cheers / Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 09:37 PM UTC

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No, what he is saying is that you can't criticize a company without some 'White Knight' getting all wadded up and thinking he has to rescue the company from some random dude on the internet.
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Is that what you and Karl are saying about my participation in this thread?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 03:41 PM UTC

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How is your irony training going?



Better than your lack of same, from the look of it. But go ahead and give yourself that pat on the back you believe you just earned.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 03:04 PM UTC

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No, what he is saying is that you can't criticize a company without some 'White Knight' getting all wadded up and thinking he has to rescue the company from some random dude on the internet.

Opinions are just that: opinions. If you're getting worked up over what a stranger on the internet says, then that is on you.



How is your irony training going?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 11:47 AM UTC
No, what he is saying is that you can't criticize a company without some 'White Knight' getting all wadded up and thinking he has to rescue the company from some random dude on the internet.

Opinions are just that: opinions. If you're getting worked up over what a stranger on the internet says, then that is on you.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 - 03:24 AM UTC

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Why are people so sensitive nowadays



Stop complaining about sensitivity! Get over it!



David that comment was not aimed at you but others that are against.
Like I said you can't have or post an opinion on this site no more as there is always someone who has to have their two pennies worth if you dare slate a kit manufacture.



So by that you are saying someone shouldn't post an opinion that doesn't agree with someone else's ?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:30 PM UTC

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Why are people so sensitive nowadays



Stop complaining about sensitivity! Get over it!



David that comment was not aimed at you but others that are against.
Like I said you can't have or post an opinion on this site no more as there is always someone who has to have their two pennies worth if you dare slate a kit manufacture.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:03 PM UTC

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Why are people so sensitive nowadays



Stop complaining about sensitivity! Get over it!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 08:44 PM UTC

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Why are people so sensitive nowadays



Amen
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 07:05 PM UTC
Why are people so sensitive nowadays
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 06:35 PM UTC

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What would you describe this as then ? "This aftermarket set needs aftermarket !"



I would call it "tongue in cheek" humor, or sarcasm humor. That's how I read it.

Friulmodel make the transport tracks as well. I don't recall ever reading anyone complaining it wasn't a complete set.

I don't believe that any vendor's box describes the contents as a complete replacement set for an accurate version. I believe that they all say the box contains the tracks. Nothing more.

Yes, RFM has missed an opportunity to provide something that no one else has provided to the market.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 04:41 PM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 04:32 PM UTC

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Apologises, Arild. Better pay more attention to how you folks spell your names, I'm off to Oslo on business at the end of the month.



No worries, Alan. I've had my name spelled much worse. My name is a derivation of Harold (or Harald), actually, so it's not as outlandish as many others.

Enjoy your stay in Oslo!

One plus that I'm certain that these transport tracks will have over Friulmodel tracks, for example, is that it will have accurate track bolt detail on both sides of the track.

Which will matter if you are concerned with the direction in which the track is mounted on your model. On one project, I actually had to replace the Friuls I originally purchased with AFV Club tracks, to avoid having to show the open end where the mounting wire shows, if the track were to be mounted in the direction shown in my references. Used (slightly modified) Tank Workshop hubs for that project.

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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 12:36 PM UTC
Interesting that the picture Alan provided shows the mudflaps folded if I am not mistaken.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:53 AM UTC

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Name's Arild, btw. I may have a dry sense of humor, but I'm not completely arid...



Apologises, Arild. Better pay more attention to how you folks spell your names, I'm off to Oslo on business at the end of the month.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:51 AM UTC

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This is a board about armor kits.
This thread is going off topic. And what was the exact moment when it went off topic?


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One would think you have something against RFM.



There. Somebody started talking about people's motives. That's off topic. It's Armorama, not Byrdenrama!

And that Tiger in the box art? It's a Mid Tiger. It has the 25mm roof and straight hull edges.

David



Thanks for the correct identification on the Tiger. I see the detail now you describe regarding the hull, by the front tow shackles?

As regards your reference to my comment, with respect I disagree. When you went from stating facts about technical detail to making your assumption in the post before my comment

"But Rye Field are different. They make Tiger kits as well as Tiger transport tracks.

It would be easy to assume that combining their Tiger with their tracks gives you a complete solution."

Why apply that rule of thumb to one company and treat them differently.



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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:36 AM UTC

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Does a late model need hubs?



No. The steel wheels of a Late model is narrower overall than the rubber tyred wheels. In fact they are more or less of equal overall width as the transport tracks. So no hubs needed for a steel wheeled Tiger, hence my statement to that effect.

Name's Arild, btw. I may have a dry sense of humor, but I'm not completely arid...
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:25 AM UTC

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these posts read to me like someone sought engagement with the company as a tech consultant and was turned down and now they have an agenda. Just the bitterness.



You don't say my name, Mr. Sutton, but this is appears to be a comment about me.

So I must ask you to explain it.

If I "seek engagement" and I'm refused, why would I be bitter?

What was in it for me? A free kit?

David




I do not know, but your tone is what it is.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 09:19 AM UTC
This is a board about armor kits.
This thread is going off topic. And what was the exact moment when it went off topic?


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One would think you have something against RFM.



There. Somebody started talking about people's motives. That's off topic. It's Armorama, not Byrdenrama!

And that Tiger in the box art? It's a Mid Tiger. It has the 25mm roof and straight hull edges.

David
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 08:48 AM UTC

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Wow the venom on here lately.... I had it a few months back over a matter with Border's Panzer IV kit and trying to tell people about the mistakes. People just use this site to flame an argument.


There are those who can't seem to realize that careful research and/or observation are more interesting and important than random-assed opinions.

We now return you to your regular programming.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 06:53 AM UTC
Wow the venom on here lately,it's as though you can't have an opinion on something and someone jumps down your throat.

I had it a few months back over a matter with Border's Panzer IV kit and trying to tell people about the mistakes.
People just use this site to flame an argument.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 06:48 AM UTC

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Goes to prove you CAN teach an old dog new tricks if he's willing to learn, which some on this thread clearly are not.

My suggestion to RFM would have been the middle ground: hubs (which can be modified to ANY kit) and skip the mudguards (but perhaps have a photo showing them on the box so the entrepreneurial modeler could scratch them or use PE). But if they're not going to use David's expertise, they certainly aren't going to ask me.



Well despite what is probably a snide remark aimed at me, I to the contrary am always willing to learn, so I put forward the following and wish to know if it's correct.

I politely disagree with your suggestion regarding what RFM should do rather than provide "hubs (which can be modified to ANY kit) and skip the mudguards (but perhaps have a photo showing them on the box so the entrepreneurial modeler could scratch them or use PE)."

If anyone was making aftermarket to complete a subject in transport mode then folding mudguards should be provided for all variants. Hubs are only required for some variants.

As Arid writes in his post "It is all well and good that for an Initial, Early or Mid production Tiger I, one will need hubs that are not provided. A Late won't need these, so any transport track set is much less "inaccurate" for such a vehicle.

Interestingly enough the image on the box for RFM's tracks, and I'm not expert on identifying Tigers, looks like a Late variant. If so, and if what Arid says is correct then the only thing "missing" are the folding mudguards. As RFM provide mudguards in the Tiger kit and you propose "so the entrepreneurial modeler could scratch them" then I'm sure a little handiwork with a knife would create the folded finish. So it appears they do provide everything for a late variant in transport mode.

Here is the image of the Tiger on the box, is it a late model? Does a late model need hubs?


I'm sure if my reading of what Arid has said is incorrect regarding this matter those with greater knowledge will speak up.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 05:07 AM UTC

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these posts read to me like someone sought engagement with the company as a tech consultant and was turned down and now they have an agenda. Just the bitterness.



You don't say my name, Mr. Sutton, but this is appears to be a comment about me.

So I must ask you to explain it.

If I "seek engagement" and I'm refused, why would I be bitter?

What was in it for me? A free kit?

David


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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 03:59 AM UTC
these posts read to me like someone sought engagement with the company as a tech consultant and was turned down and now they have an agenda. Just the bitterness.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 - 03:03 AM UTC
Russ, there rarely are perfect answers to these matters, so I appreciate David raising the topic. I rather suspect RFM can withstand his "mockery," and it has perhaps raised awareness here about what is necessary to have a true transport mode Tiger. Few of us probably will build one (I happen to have a transport mode dio on the back 40 of my workbench, complete with Tank Workshop resin flatcar, warts and all). And even though I have transport tracks and hubs in the parts box, even I did not know about the raised mudguards. Goes to prove you CAN teach an old dog new tricks if he's willing to learn, which some on this thread clearly are not.

My suggestion to RFM would have been the middle ground: hubs (which can be modified to ANY kit) and skip the mudguards (but perhaps have a photo showing them on the box so the entrepreneurial modeler could scratch them or use PE). But if they're not going to use David's expertise, they certainly aren't going to ask me.