Maybe more people will be familiar with the M109 than the 108, or incorrectly identify the 108 as an M109.
Especially if people like you keep incorrectly identifying it and not correct the misidentified post. It is an M108. You should call it an M108.
Now now, let's cut Kylie some slack. He's from down unda. Besides Gino, I seem to remember even you misidentifying an M110 once.
But that's just the beginning
of what's making me break out the shot glasses, and I don't even drink that much.I happened to have been placed with the gun crew that held the U.S. hip shoot record at three minutes and forty nine seconds to round out. They still hold the record by the way.
Ummm... Whuh? I know a Paladin chief who can make the shot in about thirty seconds.
And a one one niner can do it in far less time as well. Especially if you dispense with the base plate and fire that beast still hitched to the HMMWV. Yes, that's right.It's engineering and simple geometry. Towed guns work off a perfect plain with three points.
I'm not even sure what this means. If it implies the towed piece has to be level, here's a nugget that Google is not
your friend with finding:
The M119A2 can fire from a 90 mil cant left to right. The A3 can fire from a 220 mil cant.A towed gun is not inherently more accurate than an SP gun. It comes down to the projo CEP, powder temp, MET, etc. that effects accuracy.
It's even more than that. Lot number (powder and projo) barometric pressure, forks,(rotation of the earth) wind speed/direction, barrel wear... But those completely ignore the role of a switched on section and Gunnery Sergeant.
There's 2 mils allowable difference between the safety circle and the piece. 10
mils allowable difference between the safety circle and the GLPS. And speaking of safety circle, if it has not been properly declinated, that introduced even more error into the equation. Those are all responsibilities of the enlisted crewmen who don't settle for 2 mil error. They settle for nothing less than zero mils. Plus the fact the longer you let the DAGR average, the more accurate your GLPS becomes. All in all, we still have to bear this in mind: It's an area
weapon. You want dispersion. Dropping two rounds in the same crater defeats the purpose. If you want that kind of accuracy fire a Copperhead or Excaliber.
As for whether towed or self propelled can go more places, the airlifted howitzers immediately jumped to mind, and someone else has covered that already. How about this?
Here's a reverse shot:
A thirty one ton behemoth isn't going there.
And here's another. A good picture is worth a thousand words:
That's the same towed howitzer in the background. You know, behind
the empty LMTV, that needed to be extracted with a HEMMT. No Paladin is traversing that terrain either.
Lastly there's the fact that a HMMWV/M119 can negotiate between trees and other obstacles more easily the a Paladin with a big honkin' 52 caliber tube sticking out front.
These are just the musings of an 18B though.
Then there's this regarding the Archer:I'm sure it is great on prepared roads, but that huge space between the front wheel and first set of rear wheels would make cross-country travel ability almost non-existent. I'll stick w/tracked howitzers.
Again, that is an instance where we rely upon competent junior officers and senior NCO's to conduct proper RSOP, and not the wheel spacing of a piece of equipment. In my world, it's still about what the soldier can do first.