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German locomotives WW1
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 05:52 AM UTC
Anyone knows what kind of locomotives the germans used to move around the railroad guns with during ww1?

Guns like the 28cm Bruno or the Paris gun
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 07:46 AM UTC

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Anyone knows what kind of locomotives the germans used to move around the railroad guns with during ww1?

Guns like the 28cm Bruno or the Paris gun



I can’t say definitively what locos they might have used, but while I was stationed in Germany in the late 90s, I made the acquaintance of the Bundesbahn maintenance chief in the Hanau area. One day, he gave me a tour of the boneyard behind the maintenance facility where old locomotives were scrapped. He started the tour by telling me Hanau was the hub where several military railway battalions had been stationed since the 1890s, and there were many old hulks of locos that had been through the yard. He handed me the boiler data plate for a 2-6-2 that had been manufactured in 1906, and said that particular locomotive had served through both world wars and up until 1963, when it was retired and sent for scrapping. So, in answer to your question, I’d say a wide range of locos manufactured before WWI could have been used. Locos are not usually built for a single use.
VR, Russ



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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 07:52 AM UTC
Frenchy? H.P. where are you?????
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:25 AM UTC
Hi Mikael,

You might want to post this over on the RailRoadModeling page as well. Some knowledgeable folks over there.

Fred Boucher...…….I'm hinting at you.

Thanks,
Randy
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:34 AM UTC
The German Reichsbahn was created in 1920 (after WW I) so any locomotives built for the DR are out of the play.
Before the DR there were "Länderbahnen", i.e. railroads belonging to the individual and semi-independent
German states (for instance Bayern/Bavaria).
A list of the locos owned by the various Länderbahnen can be found here:
http://www.modellbau-wiki.de/wiki/Dampflokomotiven_der_L%C3%A4nderbahnen
Note that the list contains locomotives designed/built after WW I so you will need to check each one individually.
Many of these served past 1920, some all the way into the 1960'ies (probably with modifications).

The list is compiled by model railroaders so it is about locos available in a model railroad gauge ......

/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 08:59 AM UTC
Maybe some candidates here :
https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie/Erster%20Weltkrieg

As an example, 50 Prussian-built G 8.1 locomotives were delivered to
the German military railways in the First World War.



H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 04:02 AM UTC
Thanks for the answers guys. That G 8 locomotive looks very interesting. Now i just need to find a good drawing of it or maybe a little model train to scale up
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Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 04:41 AM UTC
You can download some scale drawings from this website (but they're not free ...) :

http://www.zander-heba.de/KPEV-Gueterzuglokomotive-Gattung-G-81-Musterzeichnung

HO scale G 8.1 locomotives have been released by several manufacturers : Fleischmann, Märklin, Trix....

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - 06:55 AM UTC
wow, thank you for that link. There was a lot of interesting drawings there.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 05:42 AM UTC
I would look for engines of the Preussische Staatsbahnen/ Prussian State Railways. Prussia was the largest state in the Reich, most likely, the Prussian Army had the Railway guns. Maybe a Google search for "Güterzuglokomotiven Preussische Staatsbahnen" would help. Do you plan to build in 1/35 scale?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 05:48 AM UTC
A basic education on early locomotives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prussian_locomotives_and_railbuses

I would opt for a Preussische G12.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 06:18 AM UTC

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Anyone knows what kind of locomotives the germans used to move around the railroad guns with during ww1?

Guns like the 28cm Bruno or the Paris gun



28cm Kurze Bruno was a Wehrmacht gun.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 03:23 AM UTC
yes i plan to build a locomotive in 1/35.
I have ordered the Bruno gun from Panzer Concepts in WW1 configuration.

I want a locomotive to push it on to the firing platform.

And I have great drawings for the Paris Gun, but that i will start later.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 03:28 AM UTC

I'm leaning towards the Prussian G12.
What color would the locomotive be in during the war?
All grey, all black, red/black.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 03:35 AM UTC

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I'm leaning towards the Prussian G12.
What color would the locomotive be in during the war?
All grey, all black, red/black.



The red colour on the frame was a way to discover cracks in the frame. Keep the red paint clean and cracks will show up as black lines. Not a direct answer to your question but maybe it is a clue ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_G_12
Manufactured from 1917 and forwards ...
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 03:49 AM UTC
I think that Prussian Staatsbahnen Locomotives were painted medium blue, Bavarian ones dark green.

Found this tiny pic of the Bruno gun with its train. The locomotive shoul be a least able to push/pull 300 tons.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:28_cm_L/40_Bruno#/media/File:28cmBrunoRailwayGunRightFront1918.jpg
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 03:54 AM UTC
HO gauge model of the G12.
https://exoneit.de/default.asp?ex=shop/produktedetail.asp&artikel_id=300602859
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 02:45 PM UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Jl5KdG-Tc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUhDuZAKmzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phBjy2KUQTA

(just because I found it interesting)
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 07:18 PM UTC
G12/DR 58 side view drawing with some dimensions :


Full size

H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 02:34 PM UTC
Mikael,

Just found this intriguing post.
I can not answer your specific questions (yet) but found this gallery of WW1 German trains: https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie/Erster%20Weltkrieg

Not WWI, but some interesting railguns. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/tank-museum-director-awarded-obe.html

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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2019 - 08:06 AM UTC
Thanks for all the help guys. Time to start planning the build.

I think i can take a lot of important pieces from the Trumpeter
Br 52.