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P-47's in books, on film, and weblinks.
The Definitive book on p-47's
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:52 AM UTC
I was looking for some good info on the P-47 and most books seem about the same in what they provide at least what i found did. So if I could get just one book what should I look for?
Thanks for the help.
Kelly
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 04:57 AM UTC
Hi Kelly.
Excellent question and one which I hope is going to be the start of a very interesting thread.
I suppose it depends on what your looking for in detail.
Walkaround/detail photos, general history of the P-47, specific theatre of operations etc.
I have my favourites and ones that I automaticaly reach for when doing certain types of research, but then, I do have quite a few to choose from
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 07:02 AM UTC
I think all of the above I know that no one book probably has all that. It would be nice to have one main reference point that would provide the bulk of information and then I can supplement that with ones specific to a certain unit or theater as needed, I have a squadron p-47 in action that is good but sometimes only touches on things that i would like more in depth information like difference in models or the difference in the same model but different country. Maybe there is no one 'bible' on the subject but I would like to know what the top 3 might be..
Thanks
Kelly
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 08:08 AM UTC

Roger Freeman - 'Thunderbolt' (Janes)

William Hess - 'P-47 Thunderbolt' (Motorbooks Int) - and his 'Zemke's Wolfpack' by the same publisher

couple I use before going anywhere else....that and the Squadron 'Walkaround' title in 3rd place..

..much cheaper option - & packed with interesting articles and photos - is the Flight Journal 'special' on the P-47
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 09:29 AM UTC
I have the William Hess Warbird series "Thunderbolt" by Motorbooks Int and is a very good read (despite the fact that the what would be last 20 pages of mine are the same as the first 20 pages )

I've also heard the detail in scale book is OK.

I bought these recently but have sat down to read them yet.





Hope this Helps
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 10:27 AM UTC
Anybody know anything about Maru Mechanic #41 It is all in Japanese so I am thinking about it for the pictures and drawings only...
Kelly
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Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 03:02 PM UTC
Hi all.
Its interesting to see a couple of well thumbed favourites getting plenty of mentions, ie Thunderbolt by Roger Freeman and P-47 Thunderbolt(Motorbooks) by William Hess.
Dont confuse the Motorbooks volume with another of William Hess's books Thunderbolt At War. The Motorbooks one is by far the better book.
The Roger Freeman book is easily picked up on Ebay, as is Edward Schackladys "Classic WWII Aviation Vol 4 "P-47 Thunderbolt".
So there you have 3 good value for money books which are quite adequate for an overview of the history of the P-47.
More expensive, and not the easiest to get hold of now, especially Vol 1,are the four volumes of "P-47 Thunderbolt"published by Kagero. These feature both English and Polish text and are excellent buys.


A recent publication, and so far the best book for walkround photos Ive found is the Mushroom Model Magazine Special "Republic P-47 Thunderbolt Bubbletop".
As suggested by the title, Razorbacks aren't included (boo! hiss! ).
Although all the walkrounds are of Thunderbolts in museums and so cannot be relied on for correct colours, the detail photographs are superb, and I can recommend this very highly.

Im hoping to hear a bit about the Maru Mechanic book first before I shell out for it. Not being fluent in Japanese can be a distinct disadvantage sometimes and unless its packed full of previously unseen photos and tech drawings I dont see myself parting with the Yen.

Ive deliberately not mentioned any unit histories here, just general Thunderbolt books.
I think the library is running at somewhere around 50 T'bolt related books now but I darent count

Hope this hellps
Nige
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Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 - 12:46 AM UTC
I don't know if you have tried this or not. If you go to amazon.com and type in p-47 thunderbolt you will get 1,065 results of supposed revelevance. One of which on the first page about half way down is the Pilots Flight Manual( this is what I do sometimes to build my library when doing research). I mention amazon because on some books you can actually preview some of the pages to see if it is what you are looking for.

Then off to the left you will see a links listed History (804 results) and Professional and technical ( 161 results).

Yeah I know it is alot of stuff to go through but I found the first couple of pages of results are the "Most Relevant" of what I am usually looking for. Besides it's research right? :-)

Hope this helps and happy hunting

Paul
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Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 - 02:30 AM UTC
Thanks Warlock Ill go and see what happens I think I one a good part of Amazon as it is... I would just like to find one book to use more than others and fill around it. I have several coming so will see how that turns out.
kelly

Edit; I ordered one of these Thunderbolt: A Documentary History of the Republic P-47 sounded good. Thanks again
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Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 - 04:12 AM UTC
Glad to help let me know how you like it. I saw it myself and gave the same book some thought as well

Paul
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Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 - 04:18 AM UTC
Hi Kelly.
You wont be dissapointed. Its a great book and an excellent starting point for becoming a Thunderbolt nut.
Nige
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Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 - 07:07 AM UTC

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More expensive, and not the easiest to get hold of now, especially Vol 1,are the four volumes of "P-47 Thunderbolt"published by Kagero.

Damn I saw Vol 1 at the Newark Model show but was under orders not to buy any books as Sam maybe using them as Christmas pressy ideas. Don't know how I'll cope at Telford next weekend
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Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 - 07:14 AM UTC
Hi Allen.
Ah, its moments like that which make me glad I'm single
Just to further rub salt in the Vol I wound heres a link to review of the Kagero P-47 Thunderbolt Vol I by Mal Mayfield.
LINK

Nige
(ducks and covers)
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Posted: Monday, November 10, 2008 - 12:13 PM UTC
Here is what I received in the mail over the last few days. Its a start.




now to start reading..
Kelly
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Posted: Monday, November 10, 2008 - 10:14 PM UTC
Very Very Nice start indeed. Got a good haul there.. Be careful with that Hell Hawks book it can be addicting. I have never read a book twice cover to cover, but for some reason that one has me doing it..

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 12:15 AM UTC
Nice haul youve got there Kelly!
The Dan Patterson book subject is a restored P-47, (the one for sale at the moment), so be carefull using it for referencing colours etc. The cockpit had modern bits and pieces installed, but you'd know more about that than me.
The Hell Hawks book is probably the best 9th AF book I've ever read, infact, its one of the best books I've read.
I think I'm on the 3rd read now

Do I have to post a photo of my reference material as well??

Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 12:16 AM UTC
Has anybody got a copy of the original Hell Hawks book?
The History Of the Hell Hawks by Charles Johnson.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 01:52 AM UTC

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Has anybody got a copy of the original Hell Hawks book?
The History Of the Hell Hawks by Charles Johnson.



You mean there is another one!!!!!! Still trying to save my pennies for Jonah's Feet are Dry. Bit pricey here in the US..

If I do find it I'll let us know where it can be found..

Back to the hunt

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 01:55 AM UTC
lampie you would have to show us on utube as it would eat all the bandwidth up on here I noticed it was something like that as it was a staged production and I had never seen taped barrels in other photos
Kelly
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 01:55 AM UTC
Yes, theres another one I'm afraid.
A 1975 publication.
Theres one for sale on Amazon.
A bargain at $348
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 03:56 AM UTC

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Yes, theres another one I'm afraid.
A 1975 publication.
Theres one for sale on Amazon.
A bargain at $348
Nige



WHooly CRAP well at least it is cheaper thatn the Jonah's book at $223...
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 04:07 AM UTC

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Yes, theres another one I'm afraid.
A 1975 publication.
Theres one for sale on Amazon.
A bargain at $348
Nige



Ok Nige I gonna see if I can get your eyebrowse to raise

[http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Limited-Edition-The-History-of-the-Hell-Hawks_W0QQitemZ110304966010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item110304966010&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318#ebayphotohosting]Surprise1

What is this guy/gal thinking!!!!

Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 04:38 AM UTC
I have no idea,,,because the link doesnt work

Looks like the price of Jonahs Feet Are Dry is going up.
Its a good thing,,if you have a copy already

Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 04:46 AM UTC
Is this the one you linked to?
History Of The Hell Hawks

Not a bad price for a signed, numbered, limited edition.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 07:03 AM UTC

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Is this the one you linked to?
History Of The Hell Hawks

Not a bad price for a signed, numbered, limited edition.
Nige



Yup that's the one. I see my hotlink skils are not what they should be. You right not a bad price but WOW books like that are steep. I wonder if it will come out in paperback.

Paul