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Waiting for a new steam locomotive in 1/35th
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 04:16 AM UTC
To repeat a statement made by Dennis Struk over five years ago:
(Unfortunately it is still just as true today!)



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M4A1 Sherman (Dennis M. Struk) said:

You know, it just occurred to me- There isn't a single example of a WWII-vintage 1/35 US Army 2-8-0 Steam Locomotive out there, yet there are 4 or 5 different German ones done by TRUMPETER. I haven't checked BALUARD, because those resin locomotives are pretty pricy... I've got a lot of HO steamers in Brass, and no one makes the US Army 2-8-0 in HO, either- I forget the actual US Army Designator... These steam locomotives were definitely not USRA (US Railroad Administration, WWI) types, but they were specifically built for the US Army to operate in Europe during WWII...




Note: Since then I have seen a brass model of the S-160 locomotive offered in HO.
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 04:55 AM UTC
General Request: - e-mail campaign

Any modelers interested in seeing the S-160 locomotive from Commander Models become a reality, please drop them a brief e-mail to that affect at the following address:

[email protected]

As I have reported elsewhere in this blog the patterns and molds for this kit are complete and have been ready to go for quite some time. We may just need to give them a little "PUSH"!

Commanders is a small but progressive hobby company. If you e-mail them your opinions will be heard!

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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 05:29 PM UTC

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wow that would be a cool build.
PS- the German Locomotives were small were they not?



German steam engines had to fit on the standard turning tables and in the 1920s those where all in the 20-30m length. So the "Einheitsdampfloks" by Dr. Ing Wagner where all sized to the existing infrastructure length-wise AND from the ground-pressure with "light" engines having axel loads up to 16to and heavies up tp 20to. The end result are engines that are smaller than their US counterparts.

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As for "easier to make into a model": Not really given that Trumpeter managed to totally miss the mark with their "looks remotely like a BR52. In the dark. If watched by a blind man". One COULD have understood if their BR52 actually looked like a BR52.80 "Reko" post war refit since most running 52s are of that type. Or a BR50 (their model has a BR50 style tender) but it is neither. Sadly, the 50 and 52 where used past WW2 all over europe.

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As for the BR80: That was a "yard dog" or switcher engine not a long haul maschine. That job would be done by a BR86 or BR64 (and BR78 also that is not a Einheizsdampflok but the re-labeled T18) if you wanted a tank engine or the 52 and 38 aka P8 (post war also 23 and 35) with a tender engine
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 07:07 PM UTC
Yes, I would have to agree with mmeier - I would not classify the BR-52 as exactly a small German locomotive. Perhaps not as monstrous as a Southern Pacific cab-forward articulated or a UP Big Boy but still a large locomotive in its' own right.



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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 07:12 PM UTC
Question for mmeier:

What is your opinion of the Trumpeter BR52 model with the addition of the many missing parts offered in resin by LZ Models plus their very nice remake of the compound air compressor?

Do these additions and improvements go far enough in your mind to correct the failings of the Trumpeter model?
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 08:12 PM UTC
No, LZ parts do help adding detail, but after al they do little to address the problems with the frame, smoke box tower and spring equalization system. Trumpeter did also mix plate and bar frame concepts😂.

Nmeier: “their model has a BR50 style tender” how on earth did you draw that conclusion? The K4T30 tender was specifically designed for the BR52 by WLF. With that respect, they have actually done something right😂. It might not have been common, as the Wannentender variants (K2’2’T2630,5 or K2’2’T32 - K4T34 - K4 T34*...) were predominant and had better running gear performance, especially when driving in reverse... but the trumpeter tender is a correct BR52 one!
The 4T30 was the BR50 Steifrahmentender as it was built for an open cabin, but not the K4T30.
There is a listing of problems with the kit. I am adding more along the way:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/blaubar/9v8W6D
Have a good day.
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Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 10:28 PM UTC
Don't forget the BR52 in fact is a skinned BR50. It's designed to achieve a reduction of costs, materials and production time (and quality).
Longtime ago their was a man on a Dutch Armour forum called Jan, be came from Groningen in the Netherlands. He did an awesome 'rebuild' of the Trumpeter BR52 with a complete redo of the locomotives frame, bogies, piping, cabin and the tender, etc. Using LZ aftermarket and a lot of scratch building from his side. I think Libor was starting up his business by that time, 2012 / 2013. Jan got, as I remember a lot of samples from his friend Libor. Sadly I can't find him on the net anymore. Libor, as I remember showed the aftermarket parts on the model of Jan(correct me if I'm wrong Libor). 2012 / 2013 is a longtime ago.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 12:33 AM UTC

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No, LZ parts do help adding detail, but after al they do little to address the problems with the frame, smoke box tower and spring equalization system. Trumpeter did also mix plate and bar frame concepts😂.

Nmeier: “their model has a BR50 style tender” how on earth did you draw that conclusion? The K4T30 tender was specifically designed for the BR52 by WLF. With that respect, they have actually done something right😂. It might not have been common, as the Wannentender variants (K2’2’T2630,5 or K2’2’T32 - K4T34 - K4 T34*...) were predominant and had better running gear performance, especially when driving in reverse... but the trumpeter tender is a correct BR52 one!
The 4T30 was the BR50 Steifrahmentender as it was built for an open cabin, but not the K4T30.
There is a listing of problems with the kit. I am adding more along the way:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/blaubar/9v8W6D
Have a good day.



As you said - the STYLE of tender was rather uncommon with the BR52 that was (and is) commonly used with the "Wanne". A 52 without the "fat ass" simply "looks wrong" and adds to the "not a 52" feeling of the Trumpeter kit
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 01:55 AM UTC
I've this seen this beauty 2 or 3 times before I moved to Thailand. Absolutely beautiful. Check the link. A full restoration after many years.
http://www.scalewarmachines.com/allcontent/br-52-kriegslok-walkaround

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 02:19 AM UTC
And this nice one. Impressive to stand on the platform to this steamed up, I can tell you.Most friendly people in a museum you will ever engage. They just invite you to come closer. Kids have the time of their live (like me).

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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 02:33 AM UTC
Also check Mario Rapinett Modvid site!!!!
http://modvid.com.au
For all UK modellers, guess who's there.
One of the most impressive railway modelling from all over the world you can see here. Just click some buttons.
See you next week!

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Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 03:09 AM UTC
Well, IT IS a correct BR52 tender. Your claim (that it is a BR50 tender) is wrong and misleading. It might not be a beautiful one, but it IS a right and real one! And only because you think it does not comply with your ideas is the wrong way arguing.
The kit has many faults, but the tender is correct, though the dimensions of the rear are wrong.
Actually, the 52 6666 tender is quite nice, I walked on top of it a few weeks ago when I took my walk around photos.

Jan, yep, they are nice. Only 2 missing, then I have inspected all German museum 52s Then soll need to go to the East to see some more.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 03:39 AM UTC
Since Stef isn't pointing this out himself I will chime in;
Here we have a fellow who has risen to the challenge of doing a correct BR52 by SCRATCH BUILDING one himself!

His progress can be followed on Armorama at the following link:

https://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=254420
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
Again under the heading "News to me":

Here is something from MiniArt that I stumbled across today I did not know existed:
(Currently available on eBay.)



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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:40 AM UTC
Now something I was aware of from Lead Warrior is this beautiful conversion for the Tamiya Steyr. (Available in both road wheel and rail mounted versions.)


(Currently available on eBay.)
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC
And finally - something that was covered very early in this thread:

The resin rail wheel set for the US Deuce and a half from Tank Workshop.
(Also currently available on eBay)







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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:45 AM UTC

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Well, IT IS a correct BR52 tender. Your claim (that it is a BR50 tender) is wrong and misleading. It might not be a beautiful one, but it IS a right and real one! And only because you think it does not comply with your ideas is the wrong way arguing.
The kit has many faults, but the tender is correct, though the dimensions of the rear are wrong.
Actually, the 52 6666 tender is quite nice, I walked on top of it a few weeks ago when I took my walk around photos.

Jan, yep, they are nice. Only 2 missing, then I have inspected all German museum 52s Then soll need to go to the East to see some more.



Ja, ja. Du hast Recht, ich meine Ruhe.
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 09:53 AM UTC
I know that I am right here. I don’t spam out wrong things because if I am not sure about sth, I simply don’t comment.
Michael, I saw no need to post it here, but thanks for stepping in. These new rail-truck kits do look interesting.
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:22 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

1. Great thread. Loving this. (And don't forget KitMaker Network's very RailRoad Modeling !)

2. BlauBar's scratch BR52 is a feast for the eyes and modeling senses.

3. I want some of those rail wheels for my vehicles.

4. I hope that soon 1/35 railroad models of American/British/French subjects will be introduced. There is a lot of potential for such in smaller scales - especially if you would like some animation. The drawbacks are, unfortunately, price and space. But there is potential! I'll start out with a 1/32 model railroad of the Reichsbahn:

1/32 Scale) German Heavy Freight Locomotive BR 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W556ur3R3B4

Models (Wespe) Available
https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/28008

(I forgot what this is )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xth1pqBhpL4

Overlord Preparation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKunRIP8Ig

1/48 Train Hauling Tanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNB-DJssw2o

More 1/32 German model railroading...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnV-Q84_zgU

Some food for thought.

Keep in mind that not everyone who incorporates military themes into their model railroads knows much about military vehicles and eras.
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:42 AM UTC
Military rail units used a variety of locomotives and rolling stock, especially moving supplies closer to the front. They also utilized small lines in liberated areas. Who is intrigued by this 1/35 engine by Smallbrook Studio? (It canb be motorized.)




Smallbrook Studio 1/32-1/35

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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:48 AM UTC
Another WW2 1/35 subject: Panzerspähwagen P204 (f) Railway - WW II German Armoured Vehicle
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 04:54 AM UTC
Armor 35 offers many 1/35 Soviet railway subjects that are small enough to be worked into "typical" dioramas.




https://railroadmodeling.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showmaker&makerid=1448&rid=19
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 04:00 AM UTC
With these Russian cars does Armor 35 also go to the extent of using the correct Russian track gauge of a scale 5 feet or will these work on the "standard" gauge 1/35th scale tracks I already own?

Given Armor 35's high level of accuracy in everything else I suspect these are all built to a true 5 foot gauge but I thought it best to ask.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 06:07 AM UTC
Just a thought: Someone mentioned offering a passenger car. Perhaps a model of the car in which the WWI armistice was signed and later the WWII Surender????

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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 06:10 AM UTC
Posting this here because I think the locomotive has barely ever been mentioned in this thread.

Has there ever been a build review of this kit posted anywhere? If so I have yet to see it. It would seem to be a much more modestly sized locomotive than others on the market, yet one with a wealth of detail to satisfy just about any military modeler. I cannot speak however to the model's accuracy without seeing a review.