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LEND LEASE CAMPAIGN:
Bigrip74
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 06:19 AM UTC
Had a thought re: another campaign called Lend Lease that could be on either Armorama or Aeroscale or both. Below is the description from wikipedia.

LEND LEASE:
[quote per wikipedia] Lend-Lease (Pub.L. 7711, H.R. 1776, 55 Stat. 3034, enacted March 11, 1941)[1] was a program under which the United States supplied Great Britain, the USSR, Republic of China, Free France, and other Allied nations with materiel between 1941 and August 1945. It was signed into law on March 11, 1941, a year and a half after the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939. This was nine months before the U.S. entered the war in December 1941. Formally titled An Act to Further Promote the Defense of the United States, the Act effectively ended the United States' pretense of neutrality.
A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $650 billion today) worth of supplies were shipped. That represented 17% of the total war expenditures of the U.S.[2] In all, $31.4 billion went to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France, $1.6 billion to China, and smaller sums to other Allies. Reverse Lend-Lease comprised services such as rent on air bases that went to the U.S., and totaled $7.8 billion; of this, $6.8 billion came from the British and the Commonwealth. The terms of the agreement provided that the material was to be used until time for their return or destruction. In practice very little equipment was returned. Supplies that arrived after the termination date were sold to Britain at a large discount for 1.075 billion using long-term loans from the United States. Canada operated a similar program called Mutual Aid that sent a loan of $1 billion and $3.4 billion in supplies and services to Britain and other Allies.[3][4] The United States did not charge for aid supplied under this legislation. [quote per wikipedia]
FURTHER READING at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

I was thinking of tanks, aircraft, and material in its prewar finish, but that is not a given. Maybe an aircraft leaving the production floor in all silver or an armored vehicle still in a state of receiving another part to finish the process before being shipped off to the UK, Russia, France, or China maybe a dio of a ship deck full of tanks, aircraft, or material or just a small section dio of one subject. I need a little help with the campaign description since Ive got writers block at the moment.

This could be a kit network wide campaign:

Give me your ideas and input:

Bob

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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 05:23 AM UTC

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Had a thought re: another campaign called Lend Lease that could be on either Armorama or Aeroscale or both. Below is the description from wikipedia.

LEND LEASE:
[quote per wikipedia] Lend-Lease (Pub.L. 7711, H.R. 1776, 55 Stat. 3034, enacted March 11, 1941)[1] was a program under which the United States supplied Great Britain, the USSR, Republic of China, Free France, and other Allied nations with materiel between 1941 and August 1945. It was signed into law on March 11, 1941, a year and a half after the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939. This was nine months before the U.S. entered the war in December 1941. Formally titled An Act to Further Promote the Defense of the United States, the Act effectively ended the United States' pretense of neutrality.
A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $650 billion today) worth of supplies were shipped. That represented 17% of the total war expenditures of the U.S.[2] In all, $31.4 billion went to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France, $1.6 billion to China, and smaller sums to other Allies. Reverse Lend-Lease comprised services such as rent on air bases that went to the U.S., and totaled $7.8 billion; of this, $6.8 billion came from the British and the Commonwealth. The terms of the agreement provided that the material was to be used until time for their return or destruction. In practice very little equipment was returned. Supplies that arrived after the termination date were sold to Britain at a large discount for 1.075 billion using long-term loans from the United States. Canada operated a similar program called Mutual Aid that sent a loan of $1 billion and $3.4 billion in supplies and services to Britain and other Allies.[3][4] The United States did not charge for aid supplied under this legislation. [quote per wikipedia]
FURTHER READING at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

I was thinking of tanks, aircraft, and material in its prewar finish, but that is not a given. Maybe an aircraft leaving the production floor in all silver or an armored vehicle still in a state of receiving another part to finish the process before being shipped off to the UK, Russia, France, or China maybe a dio of a ship deck full of tanks, aircraft, or material or just a small section dio of one subject. I need a little help with the campaign description since Ive got writers block at the moment.

This could be a kit network wide campaign:

Give me your ideas and input:

Bob





Bob, it's a nice idea but if you extend it to export versions too you gain more interest and allow other countries and time-frame(before and after WW2)
Like a Finnish F-18 Hornet or a Greek or Tunisian M60 Patton, Somalian M41 Walker Bulldog, Egyptian T-34-85...etc... Just an idea.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 09:06 AM UTC
John it was a late night idea, so if you want to rewrite it and be co-leader be my guest I think you have a great idea there.

Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 09:08 AM UTC
Bob;

I think I would more or less echo John in a "plea" or suggestion to broaden this a bit.

Maybe make it into "second users" or "other users" - maybe even call it "the Global Armaments-Trade" - examples as John has provided work for this. LOTS of equipment has been taken into service by other forces and countries over the many years, and such a campaign could embrace a wide range of stuff, including both "surplus" tanks, planes, trucks, boats and ships sold to other countries and "new" items made and sold to others on order. It could be made to pretty exclusively AVOID real overlap with the "under falsche flagg" campaign by specifying that the transferred stuff was either lent to Allies (Lend-lease) or SOLD to others (german Pz I sold to China before WWII, US M-41 lent to RVN and perhaps sold to several other countries, etc.) rather than CAPTURED or impressed into service by a victor. At the same time, many of the kits potentially used for "captured" stuff could as well be used in this non-antagonistic change-of-hands theme.

Making it broader in time could open up a veritable hot-bed gusher of Sov-Bloc users of Russian products and flurries of ex-US stuff appearing all over the globe! Geesh! Think of how many countries have versions of Germany's Leopard in service, or are still using the venerable M113 carrier!

I'd be up for one of these - have a number of things which ended up being sold to and serving with others and not via capture.

Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 09:13 AM UTC
Bob (nice name huh!)

like your's and Johns input and will wait for him to respond then we can talk.

Bob (like that name)
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 09:18 AM UTC

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Bob (nice name huh!)

like your's and Johns input and will wait for him to respond then we can talk.

Bob (like that name)



Yeah. I rather like it! Wonder why I didn't think up a name like this for someone!

What's really nice about it is that I, being somewhat dyslectic and aging, find it easier to spell... hey - works even when you start with the last letter first! Imagine working some handle like "Heironymus (as in H. Bosch)" or some such!

Bob (oops! I meant Bbo)
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 09:34 AM UTC
@BOB W.: I have a dry sense of humor I have been told and when I have mentioned that you may spell my either way backwards or forwards they just look at me with deer in the headlights stare oh well you and I can get a laugh out of it.

Bob R.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 09:58 AM UTC
Ooh I'm liking this

How about a Taliban Honda C50?

I'll come up with something better if this one runs
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 10:39 AM UTC

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John it was a late night idea, so if you want to rewrite it and be co-leader be my guest I think you have a great idea there.

Bob



Hi Bob,

You can keep leading the Campaign, with my Admin duties and my limited bench time I can't lead a Campaign too.
Keep the idea and work on it !

I agree with PanzerBob on separating it from the "Captured" /Waste not want Campaign.

Being an Export Campaign we can range from tanks, AFVs, softskins, aircraft, ships & subs.
The different markings are for obvious reasons will ne a n1 rule ...
Bigrip74
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 11:45 AM UTC
John, thanks for the direction and I understand the time element.

Bob R
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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 01:29 PM UTC
I'll help with what I can .
I think it has the potential for a very cool Campaign with many different subjects !!

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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 04:51 PM UTC

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I'll help with what I can .
I think it has the potential for a very cool Campaign with many different subjects !!




John, I would love to have your input/assistance.

Bob R
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Posted: Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 05:31 AM UTC
Waste not want not, Unter falscher Flagge, what's that

Thanks for the advertising guys, but campaign is over in 14 days

The way you are all suggesting this one sounds a little familiar , like "2nd hand slappers" that never took off. Would a syrian Panzer 4 count for this one?
If yes, I will come out to play in this sand pit too




Paul

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Posted: Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 06:52 AM UTC

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Waste not want not, Unter falscher Flagge, what's that

Thanks for the advertising guys, but campaign is over in 14 days

The way you are all suggesting this one sounds a little familiar , like "2nd hand slappers" that never took off. Would a syrian Panzer 4 count for this one?
If yes, I will come out to play in this sand pit too




Paul




Hi Paul,

Welcome to the sand pit
About the Syrian panzers, well they weren't exported by Germany. But by France & Czechs..

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The Panzer IV was the most widely exported tank in German service, with around 300 sold to partners such as Finland, Romania, Spain and Bulgaria. After the war, seeking to improve its armored forces, Syria procured PzKpfw IV from France and Czechoslovakia, which were to see combat in the 1967 Six-Day War.

The Panzer IV was the most exported German tank of the Second World War.[42] In 1942, Germany delivered 11 tanks to Romania and 32 to Hungary, many of which were lost on the Eastern Front between the final months of 1942 and the beginning of 1943.[43] Romania received approximately 120 Panzer IV tanks of different models throughout the entire war.[44] To arm Bulgaria, Germany supplied 46[45] or 91[46] Panzer IVs, and offered Italy 12 tanks to form the nucleus of a new armored division. These were used to train Italian crews while Italian dictator Benito Mussolini was deposed, but were retaken by Germany during its occupation of Italy in mid-1943.[45] The Spanish government petitioned for 100 Panzer IVs in March 1943, but only 20 were ever delivered, by December.[47] Finland bought 30, but only received 15 in 1944, and the same year a second batch of 62[45] or 72[46] was sent to Hungary (although 20 of these were diverted to replace German losses).[46] In total, some 297 Panzer IVs of all models were delivered to Germany's allies.[48]




So far only 4 interested, let's see how this one works out.
Bigrip74
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Posted: Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 07:08 AM UTC
panzerbob01 and I are in discussion and drafting the preamble and stuff for this campaign proposal. So its on its way.

Bob R
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 12:15 PM UTC
Any news on this one guys ?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 12:43 PM UTC
John;

Thanks for the bump!

Bob & I (sounds weird - it's "Bob & Bob go to town"! ) kicked some good stuff around and then we both suffered some distractions. I'll buzz back with him and we'll get this baby together - I think we had worked up some good start on a draft blurb and definition of what the campaign will be about - just need to "meet and tweak" a little and get things formalized.

Be watching!

But right this minute, I MUST get my BT-42 details DONE and pics to the "falsche Flagg" campaign gallery!

Bob
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 01:37 PM UTC
Ok Bob !

Just noticed that this one and another 2 Campaigns were stalled and wanted to know if there were still some interested members around.

Here I count 5 so far.

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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 10:36 AM UTC
Howdy Y'all
I think "Lend-Lease" is a pretty wide open subject matter, even if it was contained to WW II. I like the original idea without the "pre-war" finish rule. Lend-Lease period. No gimmicks and I'm in if it starts in early 2015.
Thinking (dreaming) of a M-3A1 or GPA in Russian service. Maybe a P-39 or P-40 in Russia. Don't even get me started on American planes in British service.
Right now I'm signed up for about a dozen campaigns already.
Y'all take care,
Don "Lakota"
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 11:55 AM UTC
quite like the idea of the Syrian Panzer IV and got something simmilar to offer: Several T-34s in Bosnian hands during the Yugslav wars in the mid 90ies... I guess Ive almost finished my first one before we start here, but Id like to go for a second one anyway, as are so many options out there
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 02:33 PM UTC
I might jump in. I've got an old Tamiya Universal Carrier that I could do some stuff with...either as a Lend-Lease or pressed in to service post-war. Then again, I've got a Hobby Boss LVTP7 that I could do in Argentine colors. It just depends on how the rules settle.
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 05:06 PM UTC
Ok! Bob, looks like we need to do more work on the campaign stuff and get something up for those who have shown an interest.

Bob R
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 06:03 PM UTC
The Shipwright folks would have some play also.

Lend Lease 4 pipers to GB before the war.

How many Kilo's have the Russians sold?

Liberty Ships sold after the war.

We sold Kidd class destroyers to Iran. And that's just off the top of my head.

Forgot...British Corvette's and Vospers MTBs also.
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Posted: Saturday, April 05, 2014 - 06:04 PM UTC
Oh and you can count me in also. The Armor aspect with Panzers interest me.
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I had been thinking of something similar before I found your thread. I was going to call it "The Yanks are coming" and it would have been focused on lend-lease and direct foreign sales of US military gear during the lead up to and following US entry into WWII. Basically anything produced in the US but operating under someone else's livery: M-3 Gen Grant, C-47 Dakota, etc. The US also had a lend-lease agreement with China.

If the Gen Grant qualifies, I'm in--got one on the shelf waiting for me to finish up some other campaigns.