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Posted: Saturday, April 01, 2017 - 07:23 PM UTC

Hi Andy

Wow! Nice one! Thank you - I'm itching to get started.

How "bare" will your finished build be? - I can always send you back the decals I don't use.

Thanks again and all the best

Rowan

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Posted: Sunday, April 02, 2017 - 12:16 AM UTC

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Hi Andy

Wow! Nice one! Thank you - I'm itching to get started.

How "bare" will your finished build be? - I can always send you back the decals I don't use.

Thanks again and all the best

Rowan

Hi,
Your welcome.
I shall just be using glue, no filler, no paint, just built how it comes out of the box.
No need for the decals as its not going to get any paint on it

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Andy

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Posted: Sunday, April 02, 2017 - 12:28 AM UTC

Well the build gets under way with the control column needing the center part replaced with a photo etch part.

The control column connects to two other parts which then sit on the framework of the cockpit.

The seat is made up of two plastic parts and three pre coloured belts.

Built up.

Next up is putting all the frame work together and adding the seat, control column and fuel tank.
Andy

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Posted: Sunday, April 02, 2017 - 03:26 AM UTC

Hi Andy

Nice start. This is a neat style of review to give a clear idea of what's in a kit.

I just took a look at the Brassin extras on Eduard's site and they do look very tasty! That's pretty much decided me against building "Schweinhund", because there's no way I'm not going to include the Brassin Lewis gun.

If you change your mind and want to add some markings to the bare plastic, you know who to ask.

All the best

Rowan

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Posted: Sunday, April 02, 2017 - 04:05 AM UTC

I'll be watching this one. I just got an Eduard Albatros DIII. A definite step up from the rubbish I normally build.
I'm excited and intimidated all at the same time!

I agree, it's a great idea to truly build it OOB.

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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 12:05 AM UTC

Hi Andy, will tag along on this one.

Can you confirm whether or not Eduard has the correct prop blade to use for the Wolseley version?

The instructions call for part B10, but comparing the pitch of the blades to this illustration, that would be for the Hispano engine:

Assuming the linked illustration is correct, I think part B59 is the one for Wolseley Viper - what say you?

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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 01:33 AM UTC

Thanks guys, work got in the way today, so there will only be a small update tonight.

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Can you confirm whether or not Eduard has the correct prop blade to use for the Wolseley version?

The instructions call for part B10, but comparing the pitch of the blades to this illustration, that would be for the Hispano engine:
Assuming the linked illustration is correct, I think part B59 is the one for Wolseley Viper - what say you?

Well looking at the diagrams I will have to agree that part 59 does look more like the correct prop for the Wolseley Viper, but the prop doesn't look as broad as the diagram.
But saying that, the small pic on the left shows what looks like a different prop

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The four bladed prop looks like it has the correct depth except its a four bladed one.
Eduard have produced a left and right Brassin prop as additional extras, but I didn't really have a look at them before I sent them off to Rowan.
Andy

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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 03:03 AM UTC

The cockpit opening frame has a choice of P.E or decals for the front (the 2 small round bits)and two P.E levers to install.

Completed part.

Next up is putting all the framework together and adding the various bits for the cockpit.
Andy

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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 12:44 AM UTC

Hi again Andy

Nice progress.

The full kit and aftermarket accessories have arrived safely, so I'll get cracking as soon as I can.

All the best

Rowan

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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 11:43 AM UTC

Thanks Rowan, glad the kit and bits got too you safely.
Well carrying on with the cockpit sees the framework fitted together and the seat, fuel tank and assorted other bits.

Goes together pretty well, if a little fiddly.

Next up is attaching this all to the lower wing and adding more bits to the cockpit area and the fuselage halves.
Andy

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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 02:00 AM UTC

Hi again Andy

I've had my first chance to drool over the kit for real this afternoon and it really is a gem.

Plus, it's proved you've got a great macro lens as well as steady hands - the firing buttons on the control column are sooooo tiny! I may be wrong, but I don't think I'd get a shot that close with my current set-up (I must admit I'm tempted to bring my ancient Canon Powershot G3 out of retirement, because it did take great close-ups).

All the best

Rowan

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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 03:58 AM UTC

Not sure if I will get the kit , but it sure is a tempting one I must say .

Also really like how the review is shaping up . Don't ever recall seeing one done this way . Gives the view a visual of how the detail is in its assembled state with out all the added detail and painting . Following along on this one .

Terri

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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 05:55 AM UTC

A good quality build! I'm following this with interest.

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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 12:02 PM UTC

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Hi again Andy

I've had my first chance to drool over the kit for real this afternoon and it really is a gem.

Plus, it's proved you've got a great macro lens as well as steady hands - the firing buttons on the control column are sooooo tiny! I may be wrong, but I don't think I'd get a shot that close with my current set-up (I must admit I'm tempted to bring my ancient Canon Powershot G3 out of retirement, because it did take great close-ups).

All the best

Rowan

Hi,
I must admit even though W.W.1 aircraft don't do a lot for me, that this is an exquisite kit, with a nice bit of detail added into it.
The macro lens, is just a setting on the cheapest camera I have, a Nikon Coolpix L340. Put it in macro mode, then you can crop the picture even closer with the built in editing suite.

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Not sure if I will get the kit , but it sure is a tempting one I must say .

Also really like how the review is shaping up . Don't ever recall seeing one done this way . Gives the view a visual of how the detail is in its assembled state with out all the added detail and painting . Following along on this one .

Terri

Thanks Terri, this is not the first "bare build" I have done, in fact I have a shelf full of them. I will take a pic of them later after I finish work.

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A good quality build! I'm following this with interest.

Thanks Matt, glad to have you along.
Andy

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Posted: Saturday, April 08, 2017 - 05:32 PM UTC

Right where was I

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Once the cockpit assembly is built, you then have to install a few parts into the lower wing/fuselage combo.
I found that its easier to install the long cross shaped thingy (no idea what it is, sorry)into the cockpit tub before placing the tub onto the lower wing/fuselage.

The instrument panel can be made up using either the kits plastic part and decals, or sanding down the raised areas on the panel and attaching the 8 part photo etch panel instead. This is pre-coloured and does look pretty good.

Andy

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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 - 02:00 AM UTC

A bit of jiggering is needed to fit the completed tub into the wing/lower fuselage but its in.

One side of the fuselage half.

Both fuselage halves fitted, did need to clamp it for a couple of hours, but the fit is pretty good.

Next up is the engine and cowling.
Andy

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Posted: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 - 06:06 AM UTC

The kit sure does have a high level of detail , hows the fit so far ?

Oh yeah , that X thing is cross bracing for the fuselage

Terri

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Posted: Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 07:00 PM UTC

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The kit sure does have a high level of detail , hows the fit so far ?

Oh yeah , that X thing is cross bracing for the fuselage

Terri

Hi Terri,
The fit is pretty good, considering the amount of stuff that has to fit into the fuselage. I did have to clamp it though while the glue set.
Anyway, onwards and upwards.
The engine parts, and built up.

And now the first major piece of surgery if your going with the A marking option.
The top cowling cover needs the air vents taking off of parts B21 and 23 and glued to part B60 on both sides, once the plain parts have been removed. There isn't any panel lines to guide you, so measuring is necessary.

Then it should look like this, but obviously better as I rushed it a bit.

Andy

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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 - 04:56 PM UTC

Now you have a choice of tail planes depending on which version you are building, with the lower set only used on Marking A.

The fuselage gun has three pieces of P.E too attach, and these parts are small, very small.

I would show a pic of the gun with all the P.E on, but two of the parts flew off into the wide blue yonder, never too be seen again. To tell the truth the rear parts are not even seen once the cover goes on.
Engine, gun and cover on.

Cowling and radiator on.

Gun sight attached.

Next up is the thing I dread on bi-planes, the wing and strut assembly.
Andy

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Posted: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 - 08:40 PM UTC

Excellent progress there, Andy.

Just a couple questions, but as I understand it (but I could be wrong), Burden's airframe was the Hisso type with Viper engine?

So that would mean using the other front cowl piece, part B18. To me, the known photo of Burden's aircraft does look to have a bevel to the sides of the cowl. Also Eduard has the forward fairing removed, and only the rear is present?

Here is an early Hisso with Viper engine form Wingnut Wings site:

... but I suppose there are many variations as there were engine modifications to the SE.5a.

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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 01:35 PM UTC

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Hi Andy, will tag along on this one.

Can you confirm whether or not Eduard has the correct prop blade to use for the Wolseley version?

The instructions call for part B10, but comparing the pitch of the blades to this illustration, that would be for the Hispano engine:

Assuming the linked illustration is correct, I think part B59 is the one for Wolseley Viper - what say you?

Sorry Jack, The linked image is wrong.

Here it is corrected.

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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 09:07 PM UTC

oh wow, thanks again Stephen. So the images were reversed, that would explain the conflicting information.

Now have to find out what is the story behind the removal of the forward fairing as Eduard illustrates. I'm certain I came across this at the Aerodrome ...

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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 10:40 PM UTC

Right, compliments to the late Dan San Abbott:

Most people (99.4%) equate the Viper S.E.5a with the two block radiator, which is not correct. The first orders to receive the 180 Hp wolseley Viper
was serial numbers D'200 to D'300 to Vickers Weybridge and D'301 to D'450 Vickers Crayfield. these had the one piece radiator with the fairings fore and aft on the top cowling, like the geared Hisso S.E.5a.

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47849

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Posted: Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 11:40 PM UTC

Well I have completely lost the plot concerning what engine/cowl/prop arrangement was on Burdens aircraft, but looking at the pic Jack put up, it does look as though Eduard have the wrong parts to be fitted.
Anyhow onwards with this build.
Wing struts in place. Once the top wing goes on it should all line up square.

On both sides of the fuselage, the exhaust attachment points will need to be removed for replacing with some nice P.E ones.
This would be easy before the fuselage halves are joined together and not mid way through the build as per instructions.

Top wing on. I found the easiest way of doing this, is to glue the fuselage struts to the fuselage, and the wing struts to the top wing, then it all goers together pretty well. I did need to leave the plane upside down whilst the glue set.

Nearly at the end now.
Andy