WOW! THAT is an impressive effort. Your mods obviously changed this child's kit into a very challenging project. Thank you for all these details; they are going to be a great help. I was wondering if the depth charges and racks were still in place in the 1950s, but your model answers that one for me. I'm going to have to give your upgrades a try. Many thanks for the info!
Thank you, John, you are very kind. I went a little farther than my usual in detailing this one because it was a special gift for my dad (he served aboard in the late 1950s). Part of my research involved an e-mail correspondence with John Fail, QMC USCG (retired) who was stationed on Taney in 1959-1961.
I think you might find it of interest for your build:
Were the NRDT letters on the weather balloon shelter red on gray deck or red on a black panel on the gray deck?
NRDT was international orange painted on a black panel over blue deck gray
Were the weather decks on the bridge wings planked wood? What other weather decks were in natural wood?
Yes, the bridge wing decks were teak wood as the main deck was. Only the bridge wings and main deck were wood.
What were the colors of the interior decks and bulkheads? My father once commented that the interior decks were green in 1957.
Most of the passageways were dark green linoleum tile. Bulkheads depended on the compartment. As I remember most of them were a light green, although some were light beige.
CAMPBELL’s boats had Cam 1 painted on their bows. Did the TANEY boats have Tan 1, Tan 2, Tan 3, and Tan 4 painted on them?
Yes TAN1, TAN2, TAN3, TAN4 - no other markings
The depth charge racks were black. Were the actual depth charges also black, gray, or something else?
The depth charges were black. They were painted by the gunnery division to match the racks which were black. When delivered/picked up from the ammo depot they were gray.
I have a photo which seems to show that the inside of the tub containing the twin 40mm mount was painted black. Is this correct?
It was black. The inside of the tub had racks for 40mm ammo.
What was the purpose of the angled platforms projecting from the ’midships deckhouse?
They had small spot lights at the end for illuminating the main deck and for night operations but they were primarily for releasing RAWIN/RADIOSONDE balloons. When getting ready to launch a balloon the weather birds would call the bridge and tell us they were ready to launch. We would then bring the ship around and get underway at 5-7 knots, put the wind 20-30 degrees on the port or starboard bow and then notify them that they could launch.
The Revell kit shows numerous lines laid out neatly on the main deck. Were they left there all the time? What purpose did they serve?
Not sure what you mean about the numerous lines, you might be referring to an attempt to simulate wood planking for the main deck. There is an error on the main deck forward. The model attempts to continue the wooden deck all the way to the focsle. In reality the wooden deck ended right at the forward part of the main deckhouse. This error is also continued back aft. The wooden deck ended just aft of the last depth charge racks. There is also an attempt to present mooring lines as laid out on the main deck. Mooring lines were only on deck when entering and departing port. They were stored when under way. In the late 1950’s (about 1958) the aft four (2 on port - 2 on starboard) depth charge racks were removed along with the 20mm guns on the overhangs on the aft part of the deckhouse. The stern release depth charge racks were also removed about 1958. If I am not answering this correctly you might need to describe the markings more.
What was that tall pipe located on the deck near the forward port side of the funnel? Some sort of vent?
This is a “TAJ” radio transmitter antenna tuning support.
I notice in the pics that you have some large scale plans on your workbench. Where did you get them?
I got those plans from Lee at Scale Shipyard in Long Beach. They came with the 1:96 hull of the Taney that I bought from him. I also have another set of large scale plans that I got from Taubman back in NJ. The ones from Taubman were for Campbell (WPG-32) but very, very close to Taney. The neat thing about Taubmans plans are that you also get plans for the class as they originally appeared when they were constructed in the 1930’s. They looked very, very different than they do today. The Taubman and Lee’s plans depict the 327’ class after the modifications they received in the late 1960’s. For example the oceanographic lab and the tripod mast on the aft end of the deckhouse did not exist when your dad and I were on Taney. The model represents what it looked like then.
What was the color of the radar screen at the top of the foremast?
The radar antennas were the same color as the mast etc., Spar. Vertical antennas near the front of the pilot house were aluminum color with porcelain bases which were a very dark maroon color. The Radio Direction Finder antenna at the top of the main mast was medium gray (just the dome part was gray, the support structure was Spar.
Underway photos show TANEY flying her NRDT call sign flags from the foremast. When were these flags shown?
All military ships when entering and departing port fly their call sign. After clearing nearby land they were hauled down. However, once in a while when working with other military vessels a ship will fly it’s callsign, but not very often. Basically for visual identification although the hull number was the most important for other Coast Guard ships but often we would meet up with a navy ship, exchange Commanding Officers flag numbers etc. to determine who was going to render passing honors etc. and it was much easier to read their call sign rather than try to identify it by hull number. Also civilian ships had no idea what the hull number indicated so if they wanted to communicate with you visually they could call you by your call sign.
There was a cutout section on the angled part of the superstructure abeam the bridge at main deck level evident in some photos. On the preserved TANEY today (and the Revell kit) this area is solid. What was the purpose of the open section? When was it enclosed?
Good question. We used to gather around that opening like a bunch of seagulls sitting on a fence and tell sea stories. Pictures that I have of Taney around the 1968 area still show it open. As you say it is closed now. I can only guess that it was closed to reduce the amount of water entering it in rough seas. However, I don’t remember it ever being a problem. There was no real “purpose” that I can remember other than air flow, etc.
The Revell kit has a line hanging slack between two of the scuppers on the hull forward. This appears on some (but not all) photographs of TANEY and her sisters as well. What was its purpose? At what times was it rigged?
This line could be one of two things. Most likely it is a “sea painter” used to bring a small boat alongside. The sea painter was passed to a small boat while the ship was underway at a slow speed and the motion of the ship and the small boat would cause the small boat to “swing” in towards the ship and come under the davits for hoisting. The sea painter had to be pretty long to accomplish that. I am pretty certain that is what that line was for. It could be for the boom that was used to moor small boats when the ship was at anchor. One end of the boom was swung out perpendicular to the ship with a line leading from the end of the boom forward and another aft. The boats would then come under the rigged out boom and a jacobs ladder would be extending from the boom down to the boat and the liberty party etc. could climb up and down the ladder up to the boom and then walk to the ship on the boom.
Your model shows some open sections on the main deck around the boats and DC racks which are not planked. Revell depicts these as planked. Were these areas unplanked steel?
Yes, they were steel and I should have pointed that out as an error in the Revell model when I answered your first e-mail.
The Gold Medal Models photoetch set for the Revell TANEY includes a number of stokes litters for stowage on the superstructure sides. Are these correct for the 1950s, and where should I attach them?
Yes, that would be correct for the 50’s and they were international orange with floatation on each side. Although it seems to me as I think about it we may have had some that were white. Either one would be correct but for accuracy I would go with the international orange.
What equipment was mounted on the pilothouse roof, in the area behind the foremast? The Revell kit has a couple of unidentifiable squarish blobs here. I have an overhead photo of 1950's TANEY which shows a covered object about the shape and size of a binnacle.
The Gear on top of the Pilot house is a fire control director. The little "house" that was immediately on top of the pilot house is where the Fire control director operator was housed. This house is identified by the railing around it and the two stanchions aft on it. The blob is the actual fire control director radar antenna which is on top of the little house.
The wood planked bridge level weather deck looks pretty bare. Was there any equipment there, such as a captain's chair, binocular mounts, or whatever? Exactly where was this equipment mounted?
The wings of the bridge had a pelorus on each wing which is just forward and inboard of the search light that is on the wing of the bridge in the kit. You should mount it right where the wing of the bridge makes the first angle toward the centerline of the ship and slightly inboard. There was a captain's chair on each wing of the bridge just aft of the pelorus (almost immediately inboard and forward of the search light on the wing of the bridge).
Where did the hoists from the aftermast yardarm attach below? There is also a solid, rectangular structure on the centerline just in front of the mast on the Revell kit-was this a flag or flare locker? Was it an open framework?
To my memory there were no hoists at the mainmast. There was certainly one going to the gaff on the mainmast for flying the national ensign when underway. It secured to a small cleat on the base of the mainmast. Don't remember which side it was on. The box just forward of the mainmast was a pyrotechnics locker. If I remember correctly the lockers on each side of the mainmast were lifejacket lockers. They were definitely not flag lockers since no flaghoists are conducted from the main mast.
Where was the gangway stowed when not in use? The Revell kit shows two, one on each side at main deck level mounted outboard of the safety rails near the after bulwarks. Is this right? My overhead picture shows what looks like a solid object in that spot, but it may be a covered gangway as it is the right shape and length. The picture also clearly shows a heavy ladder-like object mounted horizontally outside the railing on the main deckhouse, abaft the funnel. Was that it? I know CAMPBELL had hers stowed there...
We only carried one gangway. When underway it was stowed on the main deck port side just about over the location of the screw guard. Remember when I was on it the two aft depth charge racks on each side did not exist so we had that area free for storing the gangway. I dont know what the object is that you are referring to abaft the funnel. None of my pictures show anything like that anywhere near that location.
The photo shows orange life rings stowed on either side of the angled part of the superstructure forward. Were there any others?
There were also life rings on the inside of the wings of the bridge just below where the search lights are. Also on the main deckhouse between the small boats and on the aft bulkhead of the main deckhouse.
Where were the stokes litters stowed?
I can't remember for sure but I think they were stowed on the railings on the 01 deck just aft of the balloon catwalks. Speaking of the 01 deck. The 20MM guns near the mainmast were removed before I reported aboard. Don't know if they were still there when your dad was on it or not.
The gear on the pilothouse roof I was asking about before was actually aft of the fire control office and the foremast, in that little open area just forward the funnel. Was there anything in that space? Revell had a couple of squarish shapes molded to the deck there.
Wow, you are really taxing my memory! If I am not mistaken the object on top of CIC was a magnetic compass binnacle for emergency steering. There was a Gyro compass repeater just forward of the fire control stack on the port side just off the centerline of the ship.
What color were the boat booms?
The boat booms where stained to look like dark mahogany with the end fittings at the ship end and the outer end painted white.
Where were the firehose racks located?
I am hard pressed to remember where the fire hose racks were precisely located but certainly almost anywhere along the main deck house port and starboard. There was one forward of the air castle on the starboard side.
Were the orange rectangular rafts there when you were aboard?
No, the life rafts that came with the kit did not exist when I was on the Taney. We had inflatable rubber life rafts. There were four of them. One was in a rack on starboard side on the 01 deck directly perpendicular to the hedgehogs. It was rack that hung out over the main deck. The rack was about 5-6 feet long and extended over the main deck about 3 feet. The raft was not in a container as they are on ships these days. There was another identical one on the port side in the same location. There was another one on the 01 deck just aft of the balloon catwalk also hanging over the main deck. There was one on the starboard and port side. The life rafts were quite large 30-40 man rafts but they were of course folded up into a bundle about 5 feet long and 3-4 feet wide and stored in the racks. The rafts were flat black.
A 1950s photo of the CAMPBELL shows a small platform beneath the whistle on the front of the funnel. Did TANEY have one?
I vaguely remember the little platform on the forward part of the stack and I think it was used for access to the top of the stack. It was nothing more than a small platform that one could stand on if need be. I certainly remember a ladder going up the front of the stack foraccess to it. It was not your standard ladder tho, it was steel rod formed and then welded to the stack to form a ladder, similar to what was used for mast climbing on many ships.
All the best