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Mutt with 105 mm all done pictures in Gallery
TreeCat
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 12:02 AM UTC
my mutt with 105 mm is done pictures in gallery kit used Academy comments welcome laughter expected
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 12:13 AM UTC
Decent build. This is my favorite version of any of the modern Jeeps made by Tamiya or Academy.

I'd dust up the spare tire. The part not covered in mud looks showroom fresh with a coat of Armor All on it. Mud kind of looks like it was thrown on as opposed to getting splashed on if it was driving through muddy trails.

Sorry, but you did ask for comments.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 04:27 AM UTC
I'm pretty sure that's a 106mm recoiless rifle, not 105mm. One mm might not seem like much, until you try and use the wrong ammo!



Check out the reference:
http://www.historicreproductions.com/restore1.htm

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 06:18 AM UTC
Skybow's M38A1C comes with a 106mm RR, Academy's M151A1 comes with a 105mm (I have a Model Point barrel for it too). I'm not smart enough to know the difference between the US 105mm and 106mm besides the obvious 1mm though. Perhaps the Academy kit is wrong?
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 08:03 AM UTC
I just have never heard of a 105mm recoiless rifle, only a 106mm. I fired them back in the early 70's but as an artilleryman, they weren't part of our TO&E, and I don't believe the Combat Support Companies in the Mech Inf and Armor Battalions used them while I was on Active duty.

Someone with an Inf background may know for sure, but I believe it should be a 106mm.

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 08:11 AM UTC
Not to dispute your knowledge but look at this article: http://www.mst2-vietnam.info/Stoner_ordnance_notes/stonerhtml/RECOILLESS_RIFLE.htm

It talks about the M40A1 106mm recoilless rifle and mentions the M27 105mm recoilless rifle in the fourth paragraph. To be honest, by the time I got in all that was left was the 90mm in use with the engineers and rangers.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 08:31 AM UTC
Looks pretty good, from what I can see. Photo sneed some work.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 09:54 AM UTC

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It talks about the M40A1 106mm recoilless rifle and mentions the M27 105mm recoilless rifle in the fourth paragraph.



Rob,

Academy made a mistake in the name of their kit. What they included in the model is actually M40A1 and it is definitely 106 mm recoilless rifle. I believe that 105 mm M27 was never installed on M151, but I may be wrong. It was however used on M38A1 Jeeps during Korean war. Take a look at the picture below - differences between M27 and M40A1 are quite noticeable.



Please note that Model Point on their US website now correctly list the aluminum barrel for the Academy kit as 106 mm.

Pawel
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Posted: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 10:38 AM UTC
I've just found very interesting piece of information. It looks like Academy was actually right. But... The funny part starts here: the real caliber of M40A1 rifle is 105 mm, the same as for older M27! M40A1 was classified as 106mm not because of caliber, but just to differentiate it from older weapon and prevent the use of old ammunition. The old ammo practically of course could be used, but now it was officially forbiden, as it was "wrong size"! So while M40A1 is called 106mm recoilless rifle, it is in reality 105mm caliber weapon and Academy was right using this number in their kit name.

Pawel
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Posted: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 08:45 AM UTC
That is TOO funny, and somehow not surprising! So the interesting question is, should models of the M40A1 be called a 106mm since that was the "official" designation, or should Academy "correct" the record and refer to it by its REAL caliber.

I'll go with the latter if somebody measures the bore of their kit and determines that they actually made it to 105 scale mm rather than 106 scale mm. :-) :-) :-) :-)

Tom